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Old 04/30/10, 12:10 PM
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Which is a very scary thought, no matter what your position on using synthetic fertilizers. What IF there was a sudden, unexpected production problem??

But I doubt they would go poof, nor am I suggesting that they shouldn't be used at all. It's the mass production of a few species of crops that require massive amounts of fertilizer (corn, for example) that I think is really dangerous. One of the points that Michael Pollan makes in his books (and I've not really seen argued) is that the availability of cheap corn is what drives the market, not the other way around. Do we really NEED what we are producing?
It could go poof, just like oil could go poof... a few fertilizer manufacturing plants burn down, or the oil that feeds the plants disappears (refineries explode or put out of action), and both would go poof.

What IF there was a sudden, unexpected production prob??? That very monstrous "IF" is why I have half a ton stockpiled in my barn! I figure I could get at least four years of heavy production out of this stockpile, if necessary and need be (for my food production systems). I'll use poo in the meantime.

I'm all for a complete ban on subsidies, to producers (no more pay to not plant) and to consumers (no more food stamps to lessen the burdens) and let's just let it all play out. There'd be some gnashing of teeth, from all parties concerned... and if local charities couldn't absorb some of the needs, people starving to death would re-evaluate their lifestyles, or go into that good night.
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[QUOTE][and to consumers (no more food stamps to lessen the burdens) /QUOTE]

Yes I can't understand the food stamp program either. I think there should be some help if needed but should be set up to not be abused. The U.S.D.A.'s indian food commodity system I think would be the ideal. You get a monthes groceries rationed and I have seen the rations they will last a month. Most people offering illicted goods or services won't care to exchange the actual food and people wouldn't eat expensive food for two weeks and be hungry the second two.
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Old 04/30/10, 01:04 PM
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I'm all for a complete ban on subsidies, to producers (no more pay to not plant) and to consumers (no more food stamps to lessen the burdens) and let's just let it all play out. There'd be some gnashing of teeth, from all parties concerned... and if local charities couldn't absorb some of the needs, people starving to death would re-evaluate their lifestyles, or go into that good night.
I agree completely!
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I have only been reading this thread thus far and have one observation that keeps coming back to me. Those on here who call out this film have yet to refute one single fact from it, makes one wonder what they hate about it so much.
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I have only been reading this thread thus far and have one observation that keeps coming back to me. Those on here who call out this film have yet to refute one single fact from it, makes one wonder what they hate about it so much.
If you're involved with Big Ag like alot of my family, it's pretty hard to take criticism. Kind of like questioning someone's religion - you just gotta have faith!
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Old 05/01/10, 08:34 AM
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We have now watched this movie [Food Inc]. It presented much of the same material as did 'King Corn', though from a different angle.

I did not see anything in it which stood out as any B.S. or not truthful.

I would recommend that everyone view this movie.
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Old 05/01/10, 08:40 AM
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I would recommend that everyone view this movie.
I believe alot of television providers are providing this movie for free in their free on demand movies also. So if you have digital cable go take a look to see if it there.
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Old 05/01/10, 09:43 AM
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Most recently, it's been showing on PBS.

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If you're involved with Big Ag like alot of my family, it's pretty hard to take criticism. Kind of like questioning someone's religion - you just gotta have faith!
Not only is most of my family involved in "big ag" but so am I, personally.

Religion should be questioned regularly.
Otherwise it's just dogma.
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Old 05/01/10, 11:20 AM
 
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As was pointed out in the movie, if consumers keep demanding cheap, crappy Frankenfoods, farmers will continue to produce cheap fillers (corn/beans) to meet that demand. If, however, consumers start demanding more and more quality fruits/veggies/meats/etc., farmers will also meet THAT demand.
This is a business, afterall.
I have noted this happening very slowly over the last few years in my area. I guess I see what I might call the new family farm emerging and communities supporting those farms. Attended a conference at a University in March about bringing locally grown food to large consumers. Hospitals and schools attended this to talk about solving the problems small producers and these entities face in the process. I was encouraged to note that this is already happening close by and that new business will eventually be created. I believe that this kind of developement will move these new family farms and provide local food for communites even in this winter climate.

This is the kind of rhetoric discussion that I appreciate by this site. "Never doubt that a small group of thoughtful, committed citizens can change the world; indeed, it's the only thing that ever has.", Right?

I think companies like Monsato help feed the world, there are those that need that help but when they squash an insignificant (to them I mean, not me) farmer by a practice that can in the future bite us all in the butt- that is just wrong and that is one of the things that I hope will change.
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Old 05/01/10, 12:07 PM
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I believe alot of television providers are providing this movie for free in their free on demand movies also. So if you have digital cable go take a look to see if it there.
We watched it via Netflix.

As 'homesteaders' we are rural so we do not have cable nor TV reception.

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Old 05/02/10, 10:57 PM
 
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Bluebird,

If you like to read, you should read The Omnivore's Dilemma by Michael Pollan. It will make you thing about the food chain, too.
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Old 05/03/10, 05:08 AM
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We watched it via Netflix.

As 'homesteaders' we are rural so we do not have cable nor TV reception.

Heck, you're almost urban way over there close to the city! We don't get cable but satellite is an equal opportunity server.
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