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HilltopDaisy 04/18/10 10:36 AM

Question about Maytag wringer washer
 
I just picked one up, brought it home yesterday. When I unloaded it from the truck I noticed it leaked nasty dark grease. I just did a bit of research online and found that it could be coming from the factory sealed motor, and if so, it can't be fixed. Anybody?

HermitJohn 04/18/10 11:41 AM

This is single speed electric motor and can be replaced easily. Can buy a new universal motor from place like Tractor Supply or salvage used one off something else. The one on my 1935 Maytag quit not too long after I brought it home. Trying to remember, think original that came with Matag was 1/4 hp? I had an old 1/6hp motor same 1750 rpm speed off something else. Modified base so it would bolt to motor perch on maytag and it worked fine. Could go other direction and a 1/3hp motor or even 1/2hp motor could work if correct speed, just take bit more electric. Look at aluminum tag on current motor to give you horsepower and shaft speed. Anything close will work, probably easier to buy new pulley than spend effort to get old one off. Your replacement motor may have different diameter shaft so then you would need different pulley anyway. Imagine you have Matag bit more modern than mine, probably from 50s or 60s.

I suspect however lube is coming from the gearbox. Electric motors had little tube at both ends of motor to put few drops oil at regular intervals for the shaft bearings, nothing that is going to leak out and make a mess. Seals fail on old gearboxes and that is most likely where your "grease" is coming from. thing you dont want to do is run machine with gearbox dry. That will kill it. Either need to replace seals (best way if you can find the seals you need) or find where to add lube to gear box and at least keep some in it with maybe an old shallow pan underneath to catch what leaks out. In general gear boxes are half full of lube to be considered full, so look for plug about half way up on side of gear box for place to fill. Oh probably 140W gear oil would be thing to use, but 80W90 easier to find and should work. Can also try that Lucas oil additive stuff, I've had good luck with it to quiet gear boxes that are getting bit worn out. It clings to gears better than regular gear lube.

HermitJohn 04/18/10 12:14 PM

http://www.automaticwasher.org/TD/AR...004/296x49.htm

Interesting thread though discussion all over place. Lot of Maytag wringer washer info out there.

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The major things with maytag wringers of this vintage are:
1. The agitator shaft seal. Probably not a bad idea to replace it on general principal.
2. Leaking oil from the transmission input shaft seal. Seals should still be available but you may have to make a tool to install it.
3. Keep the agitator shaft lubed with petroleum jelly to prevent the agitator from freezing to the shaft.
4. Always separate wringer rolls when not in use to prevent them from sticking together.

HilltopDaisy 04/18/10 01:26 PM

Thanks, HermitJohn, I can see I have my work cut out for me, as I know nothing about gear boxes, etc.! Appreciate the help.

big rockpile 04/18/10 02:04 PM

My wife is saying the Gearbox.We no longer have one here to look at.But we are thinking lift the Wringer Housing up put Gear Oil in there.Run it see how bad its leaking,replace Seals if needed.

big rockpile

HermitJohn 04/18/10 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by big rockpile (Post 4392755)
My wife is saying the Gearbox.We no longer have one here to look at.But we are thinking lift the Wringer Housing up put Gear Oil in there.Run it see how bad its leaking,replace Seals if needed.

big rockpile

Rockpile, do you have any idea how to tell level of oil in gear box if you fill through wringer housing. Is there a weep hole or vent that excess comes out of? Just curious. Overfill not as bad as running dry, but its not good either. Most gear boxes on any piece of equipment you dont want to fill over half full unless manufacturer tells you to. Look at old manual transmissions in car/truck as an example, they had fill plug half way up side. If you fill through that hole then impossible to overfill. However be impossible to tell how much oil you had if you filled it through shifter hole in top. Thats why I suggested looking for some factory filler plug on the Maytag.

The seal you will have to replace if needed is one on shaft coming out of gear box with pulley on it that is driven by belt on motor. You'll need to remove the pulley and clean the shaft with wire brush, then pry out old seal without damaging surfaces involved and put in new one. May have to figure out a tool to drive it in square, not sure if a long socket proper size would be long enough or not. Maybe you could tap it in little at time all around it. Sure if you do searches for replacing seal on Maytag wringer washer you will find more detailed info.

HilltopDaisy 04/18/10 04:10 PM

I've had fun learning how this works. I washed two loads, and I can see that lint is going to be an issue.

Just as I was finishing the wringer started squealing so I guess that's where the grease came from. Thanks for all your help. My neighbor stopped by and offered to help if I need it.

big rockpile 04/18/10 06:03 PM

Ok I'm trying to find information.All I can find is not to set it on its side or the Oil will run out.My wife says start with maybe putting about a Cup of Gear Oil in it if it is dry.She says it won't take much.

All I know is some Machines around here lose Oil and the Girls just add some and go on.

big rockpile

haypoint 04/18/10 06:37 PM

If memory serves me correctly, tipping a wringer washer on its side will allow grease to drain out. So you might not have a leak after all. However, you shouldnt have any squeeling coming from the wringer, unless you get your braids caught in them. LOL

There are gears in the casting next to the rollers. There should be grease on those gears. See if you can find a place to add some gear lube, before you spoil a gear, bearing or seal.

Different models different roller release pad. Release when done so the rollers donn't get stuck or out of round.
At Lehman's Hardware Store in Ohio, they have a Maytag 3 in 1 model on display. Only one I've ever seen. It has a meat grinder that replaces the wringer and a butter churn that fits into the tub.

Cabin Fever 04/19/10 09:16 AM

The photo below is of our old Maytag (which we have sold). Chances are the oil leaked out of the wringer gearbox if you laid the machine on its side while transporting it. The red arrow in the photo is pointing at the gear box.

If you have the wringer in neutral, you can pull the entire wringer assembly off of the machine by lifting it straight up. Additional oil can now be put into the gearbox. I'm sorry, put I don't know what kind or weight of oil to use.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v6...her/Washer.jpg

HermitJohn 04/19/10 04:58 PM

That is the wringer extension housing of the gear box to drive the wringer, not the gear box. The gear box is the cast iron thing under the tub and has shaft that the motor turns via belt and pulley. then there is another shaft coming up to turn the dolly/agitator in the tub back and forth.

These all are old enough now that its very probable the seal on the shaft that has the pulley is failing or failed. Yes possible if washer was laid on its side the lube leaked out through the wringer housing. I am not sure why anybody with a pickup would lay one of these on its side. If you had some little hatchback or low roofed SUV you might have to.

HilltopDaisy 04/20/10 12:42 AM

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn (Post 4394488)
That is the wringer extension housing of the gear box to drive the wringer, not the gear box. The gear box is the cast iron thing under the tub and has shaft that the motor turns via belt and pulley. then there is another shaft coming up to turn the dolly/agitator in the tub back and forth.

These all are old enough now that its very probable the seal on the shaft that has the pulley is failing or failed. Yes possible if washer was laid on its side the lube leaked out through the wringer housing. I am not sure why anybody with a pickup would lay one of these on its side. If you had some little hatchback or low roofed SUV you might have to.

Woe is me......

I can't tell you how many times I said to myself "I need to ask on HT if it's OK to lay this thing down to bring it home?". I drove 6+ hours, each way, to pick this washer up. I have a Mazda pick-up, with a cap....

HermitJohn 04/20/10 08:18 AM

Didnt think of topper. Well no biggie if you did lay it on its side and lube leaked out the wringer extension. Just add oil back and if you are real lucky, input shaft seal is good. I still havent found info about factory recommended way of adding lube, checking level. These are old enough they should have plug. Mine is an older open version with the "gearshift", dont have one of the skirted modern versions to look at. I know lot new stuff is factory sealed, when lube all leaks out, you are supposed to throw it away and buy a new one..... Somebody on shop forum was posting that his new lawn tractor didnt even have way to check lube in the transmission. Modern manufacturers for sure dont want you making one of their products outlive its predicted lifespan.

Oh since you mentioned your Mazda pickup, I remember you posted sometime back about having problem with it and your mechanic couldnt seem to fix it. Curious what problem turned out to be?? Since you are still driving it, somebody must have figured it out.

HilltopDaisy 04/20/10 11:11 AM

Funny you should ask. No one ever did determine what was wrong with it. My mechanic replaced several things but nothing seemed to help. He insisted that I take it to a high $$ garage a few towns over so they could hook it up to better check the codes. Nothing showed up, nada, they drove it about 100 miles and couldn't get it to act up. Remember the issue was it wouldn't start from time to time.

Well, it's been over a year and it's running great. There have been 2 times that it wouldn't start and lucky for me I was in town, minutes from my mechanic. He came out and unplugged and plugged back in the fuel injection (thingy) and the truck starts right up. So it seems that something gets stuck? or clogged? He won't take any money when he comes to my rescue, but last time he spray painted the thing red so I can find it and do it myself if it ever happens again.

FarmboyBill 04/20/10 12:42 PM

LOL lol Hey Haypoint, Men usta have a saying about women who were carrying on about something. (Shes got her _ _ _ inna wringer about something. Forgot that LOL. I went up to my elbow on ours when I was in GS.


HJ. I got a 37 MT here. I got the last rolls for it outa ST. Louis, the guy said where we bought them. Dasher didnt go all the way down as far as the white ones did, its green, with an off white on the top of the wringer. and when the wife washed my overhalls, the buckles wedged inbetween the bottom of the dasher and the bottom of the tub. I put something over it and she fastened the straps over the dasher so they couldnt go underneith and that was that. it had an OLD motor on it, that finally went out, and I put a new motor on it 30yrs ago, and I havnt run it in nearly that time, so dont know if it still works or not. I have to haul my water here, so I dont use it.

If you feel the need to add lubricant, and know where to put it, id try LUCIS Hub Sealer. Some people swear by it, and some just keep on swearing. It has worked for me in some instances , and in some it hasnt.

HermitJohn 04/20/10 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HilltopDaisy (Post 4395682)
Funny you should ask. No one ever did determine what was wrong with it. My mechanic replaced several things but nothing seemed to help. He insisted that I take it to a high $$ garage a few towns over so they could hook it up to better check the codes. Nothing showed up, nada, they drove it about 100 miles and couldn't get it to act up. Remember the issue was it wouldn't start from time to time.

Well, it's been over a year and it's running great. There have been 2 times that it wouldn't start and lucky for me I was in town, minutes from my mechanic. He came out and unplugged and plugged back in the fuel injection (thingy) and the truck starts right up. So it seems that something gets stuck? or clogged? He won't take any money when he comes to my rescue, but last time he spray painted the thing red so I can find it and do it myself if it ever happens again.

Darn if I can even remember what exactly I unplugged now, but guy I know had Jeep Cherokee (little one with fuel injection) and I found on internet to unplug this one electronic thing when it wouldnt start and then plug it back in and it would start. ??? Guess modern vehicles just develope their own quirky personalities. As long as it doesnt leave you stranded.

HermitJohn 04/20/10 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by FarmBoyBill (Post 4395812)
LOL lol Hey Haypoint, Men usta have a saying about women who were carrying on about something. (Shes got her _ _ _ inna wringer about something. Forgot that LOL. I went up to my elbow on ours when I was in GS.


HJ. I got a 37 MT here. I got the last rolls for it outa ST. Louis, the guy said where we bought them. Dasher didnt go all the way down as far as the white ones did, its green, with an off white on the top of the wringer. and when the wife washed my overhalls, the buckles wedged inbetween the bottom of the dasher and the bottom of the tub. I put something over it and she fastened the straps over the dasher so they couldnt go underneith and that was that. it had an OLD motor on it, that finally went out, and I put a new motor on it 30yrs ago, and I havnt run it in nearly that time, so dont know if it still works or not. I have to haul my water here, so I dont use it.

If you feel the need to add lubricant, and know where to put it, id try LUCIS Hub Sealer. Some people swear by it, and some just keep on swearing. It has worked for me in some instances , and in some it hasnt.

Mine has the all aluminum dasher/agitator/dolly. instead of splined fitting down low, it fits over tall shaft with square place at top. Never had any problem with it not fitting down properly or anything getting caught under it. I liked it much better than the later Maytags with the bakelite dasher/agitator/dolly. Know I drove clear up to auction in middle Missouri to get it. Just never find good wringer washers down here in AR. Think people down here wore them out.

Cabin Fever 04/20/10 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn (Post 4396178)
Mine has the all aluminum dasher/agitator/dolly. instead of splined fitting down low, it fits over tall shaft with square place at top. Never had any problem with it not fitting down properly or anything getting caught under it. I liked it much better than the later Maytags with the bakelite dasher/agitator/dolly. Know I drove clear up to auction in middle Missouri to get it. Just never find good wringer washers down here in AR. Think people down here wore them out.

This weekend's auction is going to have four Maytag wringer washing machines (see second to last item). I bet you'd like the pink one! :)


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