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In fact I have had such heated posts on the Political Side of the forum, because of my disagreement with the "left. I have been banned for over a Year and a Half. Hopping to get back on some day. Cause I have lightened up quite a bit over the years.
But a disagreement with the left still is in my cross hairs. And that certainly is not being a what was it a communist, which is pure hockey puck.
Heck I even cut up my aarp card into tiny little pieces and sent it back in a subscription renewal letter.~ LOL. And certainly when I get those annoying aarp magazines they go righto the trash, because that is all they are worth. And I am a communist. I Laugh Out Loud on that one.

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No one is jumping on VFD members. I was a VFD member and volunteer EMT for years, plan on starting a FD locally soon if I can. I'm speaking of the attitude of many firemen that they are somehow "above the rest" when they have that light on. Folks are folks and some suffer from a cranial rectal inversion. That's what I'm talking about. I spent 23 years as a cop and saw it a million times. Just like young cops think they're god, so do young firemen. Some grow out of it, some don't.


NY states current burn ban has much less to do with safety and far more to do with liberal thought on personal freedoms (you have none) and "air quality" (it smalls bad, lets ban it). Don't underestimate the ulterior motives of the "greens".

I agree completely!!!

I kinda covered something related here The Key to be a True Conservative

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Good post. Again burning your land is not against the law here in MN. Permits are free and are necessary to give the VFD's and DNR are heads up in case something goes wrong. At times a burning ban is put in place when weather and fuel moistures dictate. If you don't like it then start your fire and take your chances. Thanks Curtis for the story, this happens here all the time. Some folks just don't get it, either through beligerence or stupidity. Either case doesn't matter, the result is the same. Someone pays and many times it's the innocent party.

controlled burns are productive and very nessary, the plains tribes practiced them as did the aboriginals of australia and I belive a few other cultures.

ever rake the dead grass out of the lawn, helps make it healthy and green.
same with a burn. it also returns some nutrients back that would take a while to break down and be returned. the animals will find a safe place those with out deep burrows will leave the area till its safe.

its not to eliminate any plants its it eliminate the more damageing fires. the more fuel the longer the burn the longer the burn the more fuel sooner or later the green stuff will burn.

I recently walked a strech of state forrest if we get a spark the whole area will be a total loss, theres enough dead fall it will burn for weeks. what ever trees are not burned will be dead and part of the next fire. most likely enough to fuel for another destructive fire. that will be a real setback for the wildlife.

we are close to this area but not close enough to worry. smoke may be a issue though. there are people who over the years have bought adjoining property and built in the woods. they would have to worry. not so much if it was a gentle rolling fire. but like I said that woods is built up like a bonfire if it catchs it will not be anything gentle.

Here's an article to read about it. We're not just pulling your leg here.

Study Calls for More Prescribed Burns to Reduce Forest Fire Emissions
http://www.nytimes.com/cwire/2010/03...red-70715.html

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I'm sorry As I have said, you can't legislate away stupidity, and to try is pretty stupid in itself. Making the activity illegal won't alleviate the problems their stupidity will cause; the only possible effect is that it prompts them to find another unsafe, yet perfectly legal thing to do. So sooner or later we will have 20 million "stupidity" laws out there and it will be illegal to do everything.

The thing you don't understand is IF such said stupid person burns down your house it's already against the law!!!!! Ever here of arson? It applies whether intentional or not. You may also sue in civil court and take his house and money to rebuild yours.

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You win blooba, I understand now. I'm going to contact my state legislators and have all the no passing signs taken down. I have seen the light!

Yep, another fine example of making it illegal to be stupid. If you can't see the oncoming traffic DON"T PASS! That takes alot of common sense to figure out

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You should have ended with this That is more fitting or a sarcastic one. Some may take your post seriously.

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Well then tell me how many things we have to outlaw because they COULD be done stupidly?

Hate to tell ya, EVERYTHING can be stupidly and hurt themselves or others unless you are locked up into a padded room. Is that where you wanna be?

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Some are so far out of left field they are making Ron Paul sound good. And that is saying a lot. And Ron Paul is so far out that he is only thought of as Dr. No.

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Mamma used to say, "Any man can start a fire, but a good one knows how to take something home to cook on that fire. And a wise one will know how to keep the fire burning all night long...."

Off topic but some who post here may think they are conservative but are in fact statists.

They believe in the power of the state in prescribing how people should live,all for the greater good.

Anyone who uses such phrases as for the good of the masses is in no way shape or form a conservative,no matter how often they vote for the republican candidate....which is ANOTHER topic in itself,the idea the GOP is conservative.

What the OP is referring to is the way bureaucracy has taken over at great cost something that was easily done beforehand by individuals,and probably done better.

But then individuals cannot be controlled as easily.

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When I did that chart which puts a person in a certain category. I was nearly in the middle between Centrist and a Conservative but slightl more leaning to the conservative side. So what is wrong with a person half way between being a Centrist and a Conservative? Surely is better then being on "The Other Side of things.

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I think a man (or woman... I've know firebug ladies) should be able to set a fire anytime he dang well pleases.

And, if he burns his place to the ground, his insurance is voided. If it burns the neighbors place down, the fire setter pays 100% plus pain and suffering. If he burns down numerous tracts, and can't pay, all of his worldly assets are sold, and he's condemned to be a slave, working in Mexican silver mines. His wife (or husband, if a lady) and children are also sold into bondage.

With rights come responsibilities...

Personally, I don't want 'turnips' setting fires that they have no way of controlling, possibly burning my place to the ground, and having less than zero means of paying me back.

I had to call the authorities on some neighbors that set a fire once, on a windy day, and the fire encroached on my place... they didn't know it, but I watched them the whole time... once the fire was going good, they drove home. I followed them out later, confronted them, and they plead ignorance... when I told em I'd seen them, they were mad... Got the Volunteer Firefighters and Forest Service down to put it out... made sure they cut through their fence as much as possible.

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texican you sir are one of my favs but I do have to question a few things is the son guilty of the crimes of the father? I have to say not! second is did you have your fire breaks in? now mind you anyone starting a fire sould have a fire break in them selfs but should you worry about the nieghbors seems you should have yours in too, other wise Id half to find you at least at half fault. even when having a camp fire you have a fire ring and a fire break! accidents do happen though. if burning anything major should inform the nieghbors at wich point if there is some concern , well I would assume it addressed by both partys.

what happens should a "wild fire" start within your boundrys and progress to the neigbors ? lets say on three sides! just because you did not start it, does that make you any less responsible? you after all have taken responsibilty for that land! now again if the nieghbors didnt have their own firebreaks in well they would be equal in fault. and had you had yours in place and the fire jumped the line,well I would say you had a leg to stand on and they would be at fault for the hardship.

again I know we are talking about fire purposely set but this falls under the conditions you set. you just choose to not think about it.

now if you and the neighbors wether state , federal , or private got on the same page and eliminate the potential before it is a problem. no one would need worry! if a fire where to start from nature herself or carelessness the fuel needed for it to be a major catastrophy would not be present.

either you achive that through proper managment either "controled" burns or you devote the man hours and labor to clear that "fuel" as well as establish your fire breaks.

to me I see it as common sense. and I see how attractive (except for the skeeters and black and deer flys) of building in the woods and I know you dont have a lot of wood where you are at, but I have posed this question before and will again " is it really a problem if you create it?" seems to me in times gone by and no I am only a student of the past but again seems those that settled this place created fire breaks wether intentional or not,after all it was not always a freindly place so a nice killing field around the cabin was not such a bad thing ( they may have just been trying to cut down on the before mentioned insects???) but in the same respect it acted as a fire break.

but let just look at this one more time, you let a bon fire build up next to your place and even let it get to be acres wide, and I in a attemt to remove a simular threat or just in due use of my land set things in motion become the guilty party, and on top of that all the nieghbors and even many being vary vary distant nieghbors get to pay to protect that bonfire you worked so hard to build up? just does not make sense to me?

I will tell you all now I can cremate a full grown cow with green wood in a drizzle to a mild rain with no petrol! no problem! dont belive me bring the cow and the green lumber
well its raining. if not we can wait for the rain, here its more apt then not. but in all my time burning I have never burned anyone else's property! that may be because they took preemptive measures or I used common sense?

I guess after this long rant it all boils down to responsibility ! yours and mine ?

There was another thing mentioned in GC. Since we so gung ho for outlawing stupidity lets ban all unhealthy food.

Oh wait they already are in some cities by banning trans fat.

The feds are going to make manufacturers put the nutritional info on the front of the box just to make sure people are seeing that it is unhealthy and if people don't stop eating unhealthy they will outlaw it.

I mean now the government has a financial interest in our health so if someone eats unhealthy it will make all taxpayers victims so it just makes sense doesn't it?

See, enough is enough! You will never be able to outlaw stupidity!

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blooba you and I among others know you can not legislate brains! you either are born with that gray matter or not. if you are, well does not take a dozen politicens years
to construct a law to tell you you should not do that or this or the other thing. you can decide that for yourself using that gray matter.
Unfortunately we live in the land of the sheeple and they feel all this necessary?
they have no clue of common sense or in many instances right or wrong.
they need someone to spell it out for them.
though I will add even if that is done many still ignor that or just decide they know better.

My brother and I had a recent conversation on something similar.
my part of the conversation was you have two types of people. mind you and everyone this is a generalization and really you will have different shades of this but as a broad over view I think its fitting.
you have two types of people fititting into two different groups.
these two types are Intelligent and Ignorant. and out of these two types either may fit
one of two groups ,smart or dumb. you can be one in the first group and one in the second. but not both.
in my experience most people that claim the Intelligent side are dumber then a rock. well
the other side is smart as all get out. I have found very few people to be both INTELLIGENT AND SMART. most put themselves above all because of their intelligence.
now I have also met many ignorant/dumb folks too.

what I propose is that we have a intelligence exam which determines which group that a person fits into, anyone that falls
into the dumb category independent of type either goes to another country,takes a shot that cease their existence or agrees to live in a certain area where they will not bother those that fall into the smart side either intelligent or ignorant. after all
its about options isnt it!

only problem here is it seems to me the dumb people will be in charge of putting this test together and implementing it. which skews the whole process!

but in regress you guys are starting a fight that should be in GC and I think just a slight bit off topic.

Wow, talk about thread drift............

Here is my point. It was a big area that fire would not harm in any way. The few houses could have been protected by a couple of fire trucks, with a couple of more to patrol the road to make sure the fire doesn't make the jump.

Instead, they spent 4 hours with a water plane and 2 helicopters, at around $20,000 per hour bent on putting out every bit of fire before one more blade of dry grass burns.

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