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Old 03/16/10, 09:56 PM
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The ordinance specifically says 4 small animals. I wish it said units!

Stephanie


Hi Stephanie,
I found a website you might find interesting. This family keeps 4 mini dairy goats, chickens and rabbits on 1/10 acre in Yipsilanti. They seem well versed in the ins and outs of Michigan's Right to Farm Act.
http://thomasonfamilyfarm.blogspot.c...-paginate=true

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Old 03/17/10, 07:15 AM
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When I was in living in the middle of Austin Tx I would get up every morning early and sit on the back porch and have my coffee just to listen to the roosters crow LOL. They were very friendly to people having chickens and its the first city I lived where they let them. LOL I am a country girl so I just loved that.
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Old 03/17/10, 07:31 AM
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We live "in town", but it's a small town. We had to go in front of the town council with a list of the animals we wanted. They said no swine. We were OK with that. When we put our list in we asked for "everything but a yak"! Once we clarified that we wouldn't have all of those animals and that there wouldn't be any chickens free ranging and getting into traffic they were good with us having whatever we wanted.
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Old 03/18/10, 03:39 PM
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These kinds of things get people excited real fast.
In Ionia County, a farmer wanted to continue to make his living on the farm. He got all the permits needed and began construction of his 3000 sow housing. The neighbors were all up in arms. They moved to the country for the fresh air. Others argued that when you live in farming areas, expect to smell manure.

I'm sure there are folks on HT that defend the rights of a small farmer to raise a number of livestock on a few acres, but want to bar a larger farm from pursueing his livelyhood.

I guess it is human nature to want what we agree with, but restrict the rights of those we disagree with, all the while preaching individual freedoms.

Because of that hog operation, the township passed strict restrictions on the numbers of animals per acre.
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The ordinance specifically says 4 small animals. I wish it said units!

Stephanie
Where about are you at (county wise)?

4 small animals on 5 acres? Seems a bit draconian :shock:
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Old 03/20/10, 12:50 PM
 
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I'm fortunate to live in a city that doesn't have many restrictions. Some of the neighborhoods and developments have their own covenants etc, but the larger city-county only has a no hog ordinance, and a requirement for a certain amount of land for equines.

On my 2 urban acres I have (small) sheep and turkeys and chickens. There's no limit specified by law, but I limit the number of sheep to what my acreage can support (I don't grain feed), and chickens to a dozen or two layers. I raise maybe half a dozen turkeys and 2 dozen meat chickens for our freezer, but don't overwinter any of them.

So far my neighbors have been very understanding. They bring their nieces and nephews over to see the animals. They seem to understand that when we're shearing or hoof trimming, we're caring for, not harming the sheep. We don't butcher the sheep on premises as that would probably trespass too far on their good will. I've been lucky, as this is a live-and-let-live, mind-your-own-business (not at all upscale) neighborhood. Getting along with the neighbors helps a lot when it comes to urban livestock.
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Old 03/20/10, 02:56 PM
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Ok we are dealing with law, everyone forgets that that law is open to interpretation.

I'm familiar with the right to farm act. you can be new or grandfathered in, it is after all the
"right to farm act" and yes you do have to conform to the Generally Accepted Agricultural and Management Practices or here on referred to gaamps. which is not hard.

there are some requirements on set backs from adjoining properties and such but if you can gain permission from your neighbors (in writing) you can ease that alot. if not you can take steps to alleviate issues.


Table 2. Category 1 Site Setbacks, Verification and Notification – New Operations

1May be reduced or increased based upon the Odor Management Plan.
2To be afforded nuisance protection under the Right to Farm Act, producers must conform to all requirements of the

from Generally Accepted Agricultural and Management Practices
for Site Selection and Odor Control for New and Expanding
Livestock Production Facilities manual

located here http://www.michigan.gov/documents/md...r_308157_7.pdf

the precedent set by the supremacy clause of the US constitution which in effect nullifies state law should it conflict with federal laws is called preemption. preemption can and is applied in similar fashion when local ordinance conflicts with state statute. In other words state law is the rule. so as long as you can show that you are with in the boundaries of the law and conform to of better then gaamps laid out by the MDA or you have permissions from your nearest neighbor you can tell the little township clown to take a hike and not to harass you any more. none of this falls in their legal jurisdiction or right to act, it falls to the MDA.

you can read the whole act on line as well as the gaamps requirements wich if your really want to do this I suggest you do the reading and dot you I's and cross your T's. by the way always keep a camera preferably a camcorder or dv recorder, post your property to the letter of the law. then if you get township officials poking around your property you will have a leg to stand on in court. we use to have one that liked to make trouble for people and would blatently tresspass till I nailed him and his boss to the wall. they have to follow the laws also.

you can always contact the mda and your local ag extension though I find they know little about the laws, I always end up talking to three different people and still get no clear anwser. they seem to only be concerned with big ag.

I forgot horses are a grey area. to me its still agriculture in that they are classified as livestock though many only consider them pets.

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