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Old 04/04/11, 09:22 AM
 
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Forerunner - thanks for the input. I have large amounts of hay available. It is mostly what is left on the pastures after feeding cows all winter. It's the nitrogen I'm having trouble locating. You see we don't have any animals penned up so manure is spread all over the pasture. Still looking...


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Old 04/04/11, 09:36 AM
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That used hay, once pushed up with all the residual that comes with it, is going to be fairly well balanced for C/N, as is. If it's generally on the dry side, you should be able to use greywater to great benefit.
Sounds like you've got the opportunity to make quite a bit of the black stuff.

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Old 04/05/11, 11:22 AM
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Wood chips

I'm still mourning the loss of the stock yard cleanings. Why did the parent company have to go bankrupt?

One of the things I did before they closed was to encourage the guy running the place to accumulate wood chips from the power line tree trimming guys so that he could put the chips in their back lots which are generally mud pits during the winter/spring months. It was a good idea since it would save them money (they would buy rock to put in the pens which didn't help much) and I anticipated getting the chips once they were well mixed with manure (what a blissful thought).

But, alas, they closed, and there sat about 12 loads of wood chips. Finally, after more than 4 months, my restraint wore away, and I brought them home where they will be properly appreciated.



I recently had to tear my old Bobcat (which I bought last spring) apart to fix the starter and replace head gaskets. Although it is greedy with the fuel and a bit underpowered, it worked for loading the wood chips into my dump truck. I had to haul it to the stock yard on the trailer behind my smaller truck.

I hauled 6 loads on Sunday to get it all home -- about 72 cubic yards, give or take. It was a great joy to push them up into a pile about 9 feet high (why is it so satisfying to pile something as high as can be managed with an old tractor and worn out loader?).





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Old 04/05/11, 06:22 PM
 
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mudburn....most excellent piles...(jealous...) we should have a contest..who has the biggest, tallest, most peed on pile> hahahaha...whew..

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im in too for tallest contest

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Gotta have pics of of the pile height not the other lol.

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Old 04/05/11, 09:41 PM
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Kudos to Mudburn for salvaging his wood chips from what will likely be an eternally vacant lot. I'd have done the same thing.

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Speaking of wood chips, I have access to some from the power company. Most of it is black walnut and ceder. I have heard that walnut trees put out some type of chemical that will prevent some things from growing near them, I guess to limit competition for nutrition. Does anyone know if using the chips as a mulch in the garden will harm anything?

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Old 04/06/11, 03:15 AM
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Those chips will be a bit rich for a couple years, uncomposted, Hobo.
Juglone is the chemical you're referring to in the walnut.
Six months in a hot compost pile will neutralize the stuff.

Don't pass those chips up. Either time or a little processing will make a good resource of them.

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Well FR I always wondered why HT gave this sticky thread the honor of being first to read but having read through the night it's contents I now know !

...The foundation of every successful homestead must be the pile !

Thanks for sharing your incredible hands on knowledge ... I have been inspired by the input and output of every contributor here and will today begin planing for my first pile. I will keep you updated as I proceed and will consult here when problems in the pile arise.

FR you are undoubtly the Czar of waste management and the true Guru of poo!

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Agreed on the point that HT has done me an honor by giving us this thread sticky.
Thank HT's resident municipal waste management expert and forum moderator, Cabin Fever.

Be sure to post pics..... Johnny Dolittle
There are those who read this thread and get quite agitated when we don't post pics.

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Well this pile is just topsoil but since you like pics I thought I would show off my little pooper scooper. Small but not too small to do the job for now and much better than being on the dumb end of a pitch fork. I did my time walking the dairy gutter back in the days before un-loaders.... and besides I need to save this old body for other manual chores like hoeing and such.

Should this operation grow to the extreme I can trade up to a bigger machine but for now must concentrate on the basics of getting it done right to perfection.

Got to go and gather the ingredients .... but will be reporting in on a regular basis.

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Hello Mudburn new composting intern here. Have enjoyed seeing the way you operate also. If you have wood chips alone as a C source and you had a choice between cow or poultry manure would there be any advantage of one over the other?

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Around here, cow has more moisture in it.....a bit of a plus with wood chips.
Either would do well if moisture balance was tended to and enough time was allowed.

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Would a hot compost pile destroy commercial weed killers such as clothianidin or these brand name products - confront, curtail, forefront, hornet, lontrel, millenium ultra, reclaim, transline. Some of these products I'm told have an effective life exceeding 10 years.

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Old 04/06/11, 07:46 PM
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Hot compost...... i.e. a really well-constructed pile, will destroy those nasty substances, over time. My piles are so big that I don't worry about the residual chemical content.
Parts per million has to be ridiculously low.

For the smaller, home pile, I wouldn't recommend trying to neutralize too much contaminated material at a time.
A better approach would be to use composting to neutralize that material as a means of disposing of it; and on that note, put anything questionable through the heating process, twice.

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Forerunner, thanks for the info on the walnut chips. I will definitely haul them home,after all it's more free stuff for the pile, just won't use them as mulch this year. I, like a lot of people have been lurking on this thread since it's inception and appreciate all of the info from you and all the others. I hope this thread continues well into the future.

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If I had a choice between cow or poultry manure, I'd take both! If the source said, "No, you can only have one," then I'd probably take the cow manure, unless the quantity of poultry manure was much greater. Either would work, though. Poultry manure would be higher in nitrogen, and the cow manure would have more moisture, like FR said. Either one would mix well with the wood chips or saw dust (I'd prefer saw dust because it'll break down faster). My desire is to bring in as much fertility as I can to replace what's been taken off this land over the last 80 years.

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Old 04/07/11, 06:53 PM
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Looking more like either sheep or horse manure for my first pile. Not much bedding material in it. I have some 55 gal plastic bag drum liners and a small fork and shovel to keep in the pick-up..... to be prepared when I am out and about and stumble onto pile building materials !!!

Have pick-up and 14 foot trailer for manure and the loader.
I have leaves, wood shavings from my wood shop and some junk round hay bales for carbon.

Still too muddy here and my manure suppliers will not appreciate making ruts.

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Having seen Forerunner's compost piles and gardens up close and personal back in the summer of 2005, I'm still in awe 5 years later. It put a whole other meaning to the concept of composting.

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