"microhouses" in Pennsylvania? - Page 2 - Homesteading Today
You are Unregistered, please register to use all of the features of Homesteading Today!    
Homesteading Today

Go Back   Homesteading Today > General Homesteading Forums > Homesteading Questions


Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Rate Thread
  #21  
Old 01/04/10, 10:29 AM
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: Montana
Posts: 1,495
Hi,
A good book on this is:
"The Small House Book" Jay Shafer

He says the rules on how small you can build are mostly zoning type rules and will vary from area to area in a state.
He gets around this by putting the house on wheels so its regarded as a trailer. This brings up a new set of problems regarding where you are allowed to permanently park a trailer -- but, he has some stratigies for this.

The homes he builds are little works of art -- very nice and simple.
The book goes right down to construction details.

Some more stuff I've assembled on small homes here:
http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects...#Small%20Homes

Gary
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 01/04/10, 10:30 AM
||Downhome||'s Avatar
Born in the wrong Century
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,067
isn't building code more to do with construction of said building rather then the size of building?
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 01/04/10, 11:53 AM
highlands's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Mountains of Vermont, Zone 3
Posts: 8,878
Our tiny cottage is about 252 sq-ft, comfortably houses our family of five and cost about $7,000 to build. Since it is so small the real estate taxes are minimal. See:

http://sugarmtnfarm.com/blog/2009/06...e-step_26.html

We built out of stone, brick and masonry so it has a very high thermal mass making it easy to keep warm in our cold Vermont winters with just the passive solar gain and a small box wood stove.

Why so small? It was what we could accomplish in two months before winter set in hard. We did it all ourselves. The sense of accomplishment, and having things our way, is part of what makes it grand.

Cheers

-Walter
Sugar Mountain Farm
in the mountains of Vermont
Save 30% off Pastured Pork with free processing: http://SugarMtnFarm.com/csa
Read about our on-farm butcher shop project: http://SugarMtnFarm.com/butchershop
__________________
SugarMtnFarm.com -- Pastured Pigs, Poultry, Sheep, Dogs and Kids
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 01/04/10, 12:02 PM
beaglady's Avatar  
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Pennsylvania
Posts: 1,224
Quote:
Originally Posted by ||Downhome|| View Post
isn't building code more to do with construction of said building rather then the size of building?
Both. The code that applies in PA has over 600 pages, so it is pretty comprehensive.
__________________
Goat's Milk Soap, Lip Balm & Gardener's Hand Balm
www.brushwoodfarm.com
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 01/04/10, 12:11 PM
aka avdpas77
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: central Missouri
Posts: 3,416
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mama Crow View Post
I didn't know that "this" was what they were going to be called, but we were going to build a camp of "micro-houses" when we finally made our move to Oklahoma ... a mini-village of sorts.

Not necessarily to deceive the county codes or anything like that ... because there are none where we will be living ... but for "do-ability."

Our original plan (which has evolved over the brain-storming and day-dreaming months) was to construct individual buildings close together, and using the good 'ol outdoors as our hallways.

One building would be the kitchen ... another building would be a bathroom/laundry room ... another building would be the main "living" room ... another building would be a bedroom ... another would be another bedroom ... and another bedroom ... etc etc

The mindset behind this plan was to be able to literally build as we go ... paying by cash ... keeping the project as simple as possible ... building the kitchen and bathroom buildings FIRST (and sleeping in the kitchen as we kept adding one building at a time.)

Oh, and the buildings were going to be 10x10 and/or 12x12 each.

Now that I've shared this, I am liking the idea all over again ... sigh.

If you live in OK, you may not choose to cool a dwelling, but you will have to heat it. The most efficent (flat sided) building is a cube. It provides maximum volume for the least exterior (outside walls, roof, etc.) Several small buildings are going to take MUCH more material, and have a much greater heat loss. If there are no codes to be delt with, you would be much better off to frame out a building in a shape as close to a cube as possible, and then complete one room at a time.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 01/04/10, 12:44 PM
mamaof3peas's Avatar  
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: OK
Posts: 569
I love your stone cabin!
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 01/04/10, 02:26 PM
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Pa
Posts: 508
I'm building a cabin in PA. yes they have a building code but if you get a camp exemption you don't have to obey it. With a camp you still need to account for sanitary facilities. The easiest way is to install a composting toilet and keep all water outside. Once water enters the building it requires a septic system even if it's just grey water. They do still allow outhouses but there is a building code for outhouses. You can not reside in a camp but you may camp 365 days a year. As far as I can tell the only difference is the mailing address so get a PO box. Using PA's camp rules size is irrelevant. Camps are not required to pass any inspections unless you want grid power then you have to pass an electrical inspection. I think that covers the weird points of using the PA camp exemption.
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 01/04/10, 03:17 PM
 
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 505
Quote:
Originally Posted by KatSpradley View Post
You can build on wheels to circumvent those as it will now become classified as a mobile home or recreational vehicle. Even if you plan on living in it. Check out some of the links above...they are the ones we have looked in to.
Another quirky thing about PA....a mobile home is considered real property once it is attached to land by either the owner leasing or owning the land. Otherwise it is considered a vehicle.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 01/04/10, 05:16 PM
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Pa.
Posts: 137
Small building

Quote:
Originally Posted by o&itw View Post
If you live in OK, you may not choose to cool a dwelling, but you will have to heat it. The most efficent (flat sided) building is a cube. It provides maximum volume for the least exterior (outside walls, roof, etc.) Several small buildings are going to take MUCH more material, and have a much greater heat loss. If there are no codes to be delt with, you would be much better off to frame out a building in a shape as close to a cube as possible, and then complete one room at a time.
Agreed, or build small box buildings with a common wall anticipating where the next box is then attatched. This common wall need not be insulated or completly finished on the exterior so when the next cube is connected it becones an interior wall. Single slope roof will give the effect of a doublewide without any complication.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 01/04/10, 05:20 PM
glazed's Avatar
Tough Girl, Be Gentle
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: The Lone Star State
Posts: 3,486
Would it help to know that we'd be building with straw bales, and have at least four inches of earthen plaster on both sides? That'd be 26 inch walls, and super insulated .... wouldn't it?
__________________
I LOVE DONUT BALLS

i dont like to think tooo much before i speak ... heehee ... i like to be just as surprised as you are.
Reply With Quote
  #31  
Old 01/04/10, 06:03 PM
Wags's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Willamette Valley, Oregon
Posts: 5,492
Here is the link to the MEN article from 1995: http://www.motherearthnews.com/Green...mall-Home.aspx
__________________
Wags Ranch Nigerians


"The Constitution says to promote the general welfare, not to provide welfare!" ~ Lt. Col Allen West
Reply With Quote
  #32  
Old 01/05/10, 05:44 AM
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: PA
Posts: 5,425
From a bit of searching... Seems the min. wall size per building code is 7' the min. sq foot is 70 for a "habitable" room. So a two room home would meet code if it's 10x14....

I think you will find the code isn't the issue. The town will be.
Reply With Quote
  #33  
Old 01/05/10, 12:43 PM
ChristieAcres's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Sequim WA
Posts: 6,352
In our County, you can build without a permit, up to 200 sq feet. Now, that said, you can build it any way you want but aren't supposed to wire it or pipe water to it. That seems pretty stupid since this is a wet climate...

I recently saw a really neat micro-cabin. The contractor who built it, did a great job! It is probably 200 sq feet, but is a 1 1/2 story (the upper story adds more sq footage, but not doubling it). He had a kitchen, bathroom, and comfortable living room. The bedroom was up the stairway. No wasted space, but very comfortably set up. He has lived there for two years.

Even if I were single, I couldn't do micro-living. Not for me, as I'd get claustrophobic fast.
Reply With Quote
  #34  
Old 01/05/10, 12:50 PM
||Downhome||'s Avatar
Born in the wrong Century
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Michigan
Posts: 5,067
this talk about code reminds me of something my uncle went through, everyone on that side is in the building trades and he is a electrician.

he was doing a project at his home and was ready for inspection , the inspector looked around and put a ok on all the hired out work, my uncle had decided he could do certain things others he jobed out, well that inspector singled out everthing that he had done and said it would need to be redone, so my uncle redid everything like the inspector said it needed to be he came back and rejected it again.

so my uncle called another uncle this uncle is in charge of the building dept (all the inspectors work for him.he's married to my aunt so the family name is different) tells him how it was done originaly and the static this inspectors giving him and the building inspector uncle says thats how I would of done it he should of oked it the first time.
so my uncle puts everthing back and calls for yet another inspection, inspector gets there and is just being a bug cause everthings bact to the original way it was and proceeds to tell him its not going to work, my uncle lets him finish heis heehawing and says thats funny cause "bob" said it was fine , the inspectors like Im the final say and who is "bob" anyway ,well since you ask "bob soso" the inspectors like how do you know him , hes my brother in law. well the work passed inspection that time and I think that guy ate crow for a good while.

theres some things to learn from that story, one if you hire it out someone that is in good with the building inspector you sould have no issues even if they dont follow code.
two if you know the right people or are the right people you can do what ever you want regardless of the rules.
three is it all falls to who the inspector is on how many issues you will have barring the first two (some guys really are professional and will perform their job regardless of who you are or know).
Reply With Quote
  #35  
Old 01/05/10, 06:44 PM
Critter183's Avatar  
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: Schenectady, NY
Posts: 51
My land is in southern MO and there are no building codes or zoning regulations. I do however have a deed restriction prohibiting mobile homes.

I can build what I want, where I want, how I want. That's the main reason I bought there.
__________________
The second amendment is the reset button on the Constitution.
Reply With Quote
  #36  
Old 01/05/10, 06:52 PM
highlands's Avatar
Moderator
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Mountains of Vermont, Zone 3
Posts: 8,878
Same here. I specifically bought this land because there is no zoning in this town. It was one of many important criteria. I want to be able to live my life my way as much as possible. Freedoms are constricting. Fight back. Vote.

Cheers

-Walter
Sugar Mountain Farm
in the mountains of Vermont
Save 30% off Pastured Pork with free processing: http://SugarMtnFarm.com/csa
Read about our on-farm butcher shop project: http://SugarMtnFarm.com/butchershop
__________________
SugarMtnFarm.com -- Pastured Pigs, Poultry, Sheep, Dogs and Kids
Reply With Quote
  #37  
Old 01/07/10, 07:25 PM
stef's Avatar  
Join Date: Sep 2002
Location: N.W. PA
Posts: 2,835
Quote:
Originally Posted by lorichristie View Post
In our County, you can build without a permit, up to 200 sq feet. Now, that said, you can build it any way you want but aren't supposed to wire it or pipe water to it. That seems pretty stupid since this is a wet climate...

I recently saw a really neat micro-cabin. The contractor who built it, did a great job! It is probably 200 sq feet, but is a 1 1/2 story (the upper story adds more sq footage, but not doubling it). He had a kitchen, bathroom, and comfortable living room. The bedroom was up the stairway. No wasted space, but very comfortably set up. He has lived there for two years.

Even if I were single, I couldn't do micro-living. Not for me, as I'd get claustrophobic fast.
It's what we get used to, isn't it?

For the last 15 years or so I've lived in either one, two or three room apartments.

A couple years ago I housesat for a family while they went on vacation.
The house was huge...I'd guess 4,000 sq. ft. At night I was so nervous in all that space I came crying for here to the HT neighbors for company during the night.

Small spaces make me feel 'cozy'. Kind of like a turtle with its shell.


stef
Reply With Quote
  #38  
Old 01/08/10, 05:18 AM
seedspreader's Avatar
AFKA ZealYouthGuy
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: NW Pa./NY Border.
Posts: 11,453
Hey Stef,

In general I think that if you are building without a foundation, (ie. skids or wheels, etc) that you can go up to 400 sq. ft. and not be considered a permanent dwelling. I know that's the rule that Camper/RV's go by.
__________________
Check us out out "The Modern Homestead", a small, helpful, friendly forum. Find us at "The Modern Homestead", on facebook too!
Reply With Quote
Reply



Thread Tools
Rate This Thread
Rate This Thread:

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:46 AM.
Contact Us - Homesteading Today - Archive - Privacy Statement - Top - ©Carbon Media Group Agriculture