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12/16/09, 01:53 PM
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NOW, keep in mind that
most of the human body is made up of water. 85-90% I think.
There are twice as many of us here now as there were in 1960. Abuot 50 years to double our population, and all full of good quality water.
There are some of the elite that think a couple of billion of us should die off sooner rather than later. So keep an eye out for those who would poison your well for a few years just to get rid of you and your kind.
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12/16/09, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by foxtrapper
Rambler, wetland definitions have been that way for well over a decade now. This is not new.
Prismseed, Maryland has all kinds of water issues. Carroll county is one of the counties involved in the fighting because of serious lack of potable water.
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It was perhaps 1986 or there abouts that the wetlands & drainage laws started taking affect. Currently the county & state have a lot of say in it.
This new ruling would give the feds control of it.
The bigger the govt body controling things, the less sense & flexability there seems to be in the law. One size fits all, so the rules covering my land in Minnesota would be using the same rles that cover Arizona desert, and high human population, low water supply Denver. Etc.
It won't be a good thing.
When the Walmart built, they ended up buying a 20 acre plot of land several miles away, and made it a permanent restored wetlands. this was to make up for the 'wetlands' they destroyed building their parking lot. That 'wetlands' parking lot was some high-yielding farmland the year before, there was no water, no grasses, no habitat on any acre the Walmart occupies.
Many here live on marginal property with shoreland, wetlands, floodplains, ponds, etc. Any land within 300 feet of these features will come under fedral regulations. So if you own 3 acres with a 1/4 acre pond in the middle.... You will need permission to build, improve, or run livestock on 3.75 of those acres - the wet 1/4 acre, plus 300 feet around it.
Only those who don't own anything could like such a govt plan?
Now, it doesn't even have to be a pond - it just has to be a wetlands area - a little damp a few weeks a year......
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12/17/09, 03:00 AM
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Prismseed, Maryland has all kinds of water issues. Carroll county is one of the counties involved in the fighting because of serious lack of potable water.
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Thems the silly western shore folks.  On the Eastern Shore, in Caroline the closest we have to water problems is minor floods in spring/winter and wells drying up from farmers over using irrigation during the drought season. Buuuut Caroline is chock full of other brands of stupidity.
If people stopped polluting the bay (Granted getting Virginia to get their act together is a war in and of itself) you could just pipe water out of it and to a filtering station in Carroll County, heck they've run pipes like that acrossed states for California. But that would require people to stop squabbling over what little there is and look more at what can be done.
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12/17/09, 03:09 AM
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Water is definitely going to be a major issue in the future, particlarly in
the West. (One of the reasons we opted for moving to the Great Lakes
region instead of my beloved New Mexico). That said, I think we have more
to worry about folks like T.Boone Pickens and the "law of the biggest pump".
Check it out:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...our_water.html
pc
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12/17/09, 05:32 AM
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We were very fortunate when we bought this property. No wetlands, no ponds, and the back is 20 feet from the top of a steep/long embankment (Seabeck Creek). I didn't want a bunch of restrictions, so I walked the entire 6.68 acres before we bought it (5.5 was forest at the time---now 5 acres is). This property has its own well, which is also very good. Most properties around here have wetlands or seasonal creeks running through them.
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12/17/09, 08:37 AM
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Enough Drinkable Water for Everyone
Lets not be fooled here people. This is the modern age. There is enough water on this planet for everyone to drink. We have the technology to take the salt out of seawater, kill every known bacteria swimming in stream water (i.e. bleach or heat) and re-use grey water and so on.
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Its not the drinking water that will eventually be in short supply. Its the water needed to irrigate the crops that feed out vast population. In many agricultural areas we are using up our groundwater faster than nature can replace it.
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12/17/09, 10:16 AM
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Other than the human bodies,where did the water go? Off planet through the hole in the ozone? Just sucked off to Socal? Pumped into the desert?
I thuoght the earth was a sealed system! Where did it go?
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12/17/09, 10:33 AM
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Originally Posted by edcopp
most of the human body is made up of water. 85-90% I think.
There are twice as many of us here now as there were in 1960. Abuot 50 years to double our population, and all full of good quality water.
There are some of the elite that think a couple of billion of us should die off sooner rather than later. So keep an eye out for those who would poison your well for a few years just to get rid of you and your kind. 
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No need to poison it, just charge more for it then you can afford that's the capitalist way.
As for where it went, it didn't go anywhere we just crapped in most of it and there's a whole lot more bags of water walking around using it and crapping in it.
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12/17/09, 10:43 AM
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maybe it's time to go rent Tank Girl?
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12/17/09, 02:13 PM
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This is so freaking awesome!!! Way to go brother.....way to go. Makes me happy there are people like you out there.
"Originally Posted by TnAndy
Yeah, I had a well drilled here at my house ( we use a spring for water source, but I was afraid it might dry up some day ) and I noticed the guy that came out to write the drilling contract took a GPS reading of the location, said "State requires it now for all new wells".
Well, in the time between signing the drilling contract, and the actual drill crew showing up, I decided to change the location....moved it about 200yds. So the drill crew shows up and I show them the company stake, and they drilled it and left. On the casing, they put a sticker that gives a well number and says "DO NOT REMOVE".....but it didn't say "DO NOT cut casing off"....ahahahaaaaa....which is what I did, after I built a small, block 'basement' for the well, and put a cover on it and 6" dirt/grass....then took the 6' piece of casing, with tag intact, down to where the GPS reading was taken....and stuck it in the ground.
So they can put a meter on it anytime they want as far as I'm concerned....I don't use the fool thing anyway......
(For entertainment purposes only....not to be construed as advice in your situation )"
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12/17/09, 02:34 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pcwerk
Water is definitely going to be a major issue in the future, particlarly in
the West. (One of the reasons we opted for moving to the Great Lakes
region instead of my beloved New Mexico). That said, I think we have more
to worry about folks like T.Boone Pickens and the "law of the biggest pump".
Check it out:
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/op...our_water.html
pc
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Doesn't NM also have problems where the oil industry pumped water in the salt mines to create a salt solution used in drilling oil wells. Then they emptied the mines leaving caverns that are collapsing sink holes?
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12/17/09, 05:42 PM
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Don't forget about all the oil wells that water was pumped into to raise the level of the oil. But realistically, there is enough water to go around as long as you live in the right area.
The new 300 feet ruling would be way more restrictive than anything on the books now. My house is within 300 feet of Big Darby and I didn't need permission to get livestock.
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12/17/09, 06:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Beeman
Doesn't NM also have problems where the oil industry pumped water in the salt mines to create a salt solution used in drilling oil wells. Then they emptied the mines leaving caverns that are collapsing sink holes?
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Yes, but its much more systemic than that alone. The entire desert SW is
going to be having systemic, chronic water shortages. Its a problem of attempting to move large populations to dwell in a desert environment.
Btw, speaking of govt/corporate intrusion, ya'll should see the movie (or
read the book) "FLOW". Talks of the coming water wars, and shows how the
govt. of Bolivia was even trying to TAX the rainwater people collected!!
pc
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12/18/09, 02:03 AM
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Originally Posted by spiritrider
Other than the human bodies,where did the water go? Off planet through the hole in the ozone? Just sucked off to Socal? Pumped into the desert?
I thuoght the earth was a sealed system! Where did it go?
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Yup.
We learned how to dig deep wells, and pull water from way down. That allowed people & industry to move to dry locations - cheap taxes and land at the time, just dig a well & you are good to go. In some areas, the aquifers under these dry areas don't replentish as fast as the water is being drawn out today. Yet more people are coming to those dry areas. Someday that is going to cause a problem. We humans don't tend to head off these sorts of problems before they are a crisis.....
In other areas, the water was divided up by law. First come first served. Once the water is all divided up no more can come - seems fair? But: they divided the water up in a historically very rainy decade. So they are giving away far more water than is ever available. Then the local govt wants growth & more taxes, so they find ways to slip in more industry, more people. Growth is good, steal water from the neighbor....
The fella living in a dry area did well, wants to spiff things up a little, puts in a prettier lawn & sprinkler system. The business in town is doing well and expands. That's life, what we should want to do. But - it uses more water.
The problem is not a shortage of water. It is that we humans have found ways to move into areas that are critically short of water. Someday those areas won't be able to support the people living there. We put ourselves out on a ledge living in areas that barely have enough water to support that living.
We in the USA can probably work things out.
Other parts of the world are farther down this path, and in more critical shape. Deperate people start doing bad things......
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12/18/09, 02:45 AM
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[QUOTE=rambler;4172253]Yup.
" In some areas, the aquifers under these dry areas don't replentish as fast as the water is being drawn out today. Yet more people are coming to those dry areas. Someday that is going to cause a problem. We humans don't tend to head off these sorts of problems before they are a crisis....."
10-4. Rambler, I was amazed to find out that the water we drink from our "little" aquifer here in SE corner of MN was 100 years old! Can't tell
it by the taste ;-)
btw, spiritrider, another part of the water in the hydrologic(?) cycle is rendered undrinkable by pollution. Witness the new phenomena called
sulfide mining ;-(
pc
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