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Old 11/30/09, 01:57 PM
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Yes, the grid is definitely vulnerable to all sorts of potential problems. The bigger issue is that our entire society is vulnerable because most of us are completely and totally dependent upon non-stop, cheap electricity and gas.

Take those away and our society just falls apart.

For many years now I've contemplated what would happen should the power go out for a long period of time over a large area. I had expected that after about a week our "civilized" society would start to crumble. Then came Katrina.

I couldn't believe how fast society totally collapsed. About 48 hours as I recall for a complete and total breakdown. Unbelievable.

Now imagine that sort of collapse on a regional or national level.

I think that we should all be prepared to make it on our own for 2 weeks minimum. The longer the better. I for one have no intention of having to stand in long lines for UN-style food aid and bottled water when / if disaster strikes. There are enough hooples out there that haven't even considered the possibility that 24 hour groceries won't always be available.

Do yourself and your community a big favor... don't be a burden if you can avoid it. Please take responsibility for yourself and your needs.
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Old 11/30/09, 02:36 PM
 
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Generators are great, we have two. BUT only for short term. Long term and there won't be fuel to run them. We will be using ours just to keep the freezer from thawing by running them about 4 hours a day. After the fuel is gone then it's back to the old time way.
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Old 11/30/09, 02:52 PM
 
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solar panels, batteries and invertor

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Generators are great, we have two. BUT only for short term. Long term and there won't be fuel to run them. We will be using ours just to keep the freezer from thawing by running them about 4 hours a day. After the fuel is gone then it's back to the old time way.
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Diane, you forgot the "dot com" at the end of your link.

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Thanks uyk7 !

As I was saying ...Solar panels. batteries and invertors need not be

complicated or expensive.


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Old 11/30/09, 04:28 PM
 
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Yes, the grid is definitely vulnerable to all sorts of potential problems. The bigger issue is that our entire society is vulnerable because most of us are completely and totally dependent upon non-stop, cheap electricity and gas.

Take those away and our society just falls apart.

For many years now I've contemplated what would happen should the power go out for a long period of time over a large area. I had expected that after about a week our "civilized" society would start to crumble. Then came Katrina.

I couldn't believe how fast society totally collapsed. About 48 hours as I recall for a complete and total breakdown. Unbelievable.

Now imagine that sort of collapse on a regional or national level.

I think that we should all be prepared to make it on our own for 2 weeks minimum. The longer the better. I for one have no intention of having to stand in long lines for UN-style food aid and bottled water when / if disaster strikes. There are enough hooples out there that haven't even considered the possibility that 24 hour groceries won't always be available.

Do yourself and your community a big favor... don't be a burden if you can avoid it. Please take responsibility for yourself and your needs.
You've got it. After Katrina, New Orleans was under martial law, and guns were confiscated. People were forced to stand in long lines at gunpoint. Pets were confiscated and shot. People were literally hogtied and hauled out of their houses at gunpoint and sent to random cities-Salt Lake City of all places now has a Cajun subculture because of Katrina. While you can and should defend your property, they have bigger guns than you do, and unless you're suicidal and want to take the blaze of glory way out, you WILL do as they say. People headed to the Superdome and the New Orleans Convention Center on promises of shelter, only to be abandoned, then rounded up in a cattle car operation eerily reminiscent of roundups of "undesirables" under the Nazis. It is a fact that concentration camps capable of holding the entire population have been built, yet sit empty. They will use them eventually. Or they might simply cordon off cities and start killing people, a major concern of the Oath Keepers.
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