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Old 11/19/09, 09:58 AM
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If they are starving... I mean really starving. They should move. It's counter to sense to support stupid choices.
How can people move with no money or transportation? Especially elderly little ladies and the disabled.
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How can people move with no money or transportation? Especially elderly little ladies.
If you can't care for yourself because your too old it's time to go to the home...
I'm not being trying to be heartless, Just honest.

For the others....
I'd also assume if you don't have money for food. You already sold everything you had and the "move" would be light.
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This discussion lost credibility in the first post. I want someone to give me a link to current information from a reliable source on where beef is being fed animal biproducts from mammals.

As for as the accuracy of the reports submitted, I have no confidence. For myself, I am inundated by government surveys regarding farming. If I do not return the paperwork I get phone calls to the home starting at 7 AM until 9 PM six days a week. It has gotten to the point that I just submit the replies without researching my records.
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Old 11/19/09, 10:22 AM
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Whew!
Changing how you feed your family, isn't as simple as simply learning to bake from scratch. I would like to suggest that the first pan of cornbread is going to cost them the same amount as if they were baking 10 pans. They have to buy flour, sugar, oil, baking powder, eggs, milk, corn meal, etc. Unless I am mistaken, you have to buy each of those in quantities that exceed one pan. Maybe that is why so many buy those cheap packages of mixes? Once they have those basic ingredients they are good to go, but start up costs can't be overlooked. It is an investment they might not have while trying to feed their family. You are basically saying go ahead an buy a month's groceries with a week's funds. I have moved several times and had to start over again with filling the fridge with those little things. That first trip to the store in a new place can be quite eye opening. You can buy a frozen pizza for the price of the can of baking powder. And honestly, I think cheap food does more to encourage obesity than any other thing. Soda is cheaper than milk after all.

Change is hard. First you have to muster up the courage to want to even try to change. Then you have to maintain. Some help and encouragement would go a long ways. Many folks just can't visualize themselves changing - they have no hope so they don't try. I think many here are trying to fit everyone into the same box. Not all circumstances are the same in each case. I believe there are many people out there that would LOVE to change but really, really need some help. If we put them all in one box we need to label it "those whose hearts failed them".

SOME have too many bills/toys to pay for
SOME have lost their job and have not yet adjusted their menus
SOME have no idea how to shop
SOME have no idea how to not eat it all on Monday so they will have food left on Sat
SOME live in very rural areas becasuse it is cheaper to live there.
SOME don't have any desire to make ends meet.
SOME are lazy.

I don't feel that the article in question is a good one to get any real information. Certainly they were not scientific. It is amazing their article got as far along the pass-along path that it did, actually. There have always been people in our country that don't have enough to eat. There always will be.

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Old 11/19/09, 10:28 AM
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If you can't care for yourself because your too old it's time to go to the home...
I'm not being trying to be heartless, Just honest.
There's an idea. Let's institutionalize all the hungry. It should only cost the tax payers a couple thou a month for each one.
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SOME have too many bills/toys to pay for
SOME have lost their job and have not yet adjusted their menus
SOME have no idea how to shop
SOME have no idea how to not eat it all on Monday so they will have food left on Sat
SOME live in very rural areas becasuse it is cheaper to live there.
SOME don't have any desire to make ends meet.
SOME are lazy.
SOME are not able to work and fall in all the cracks.
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I run into those- elderly people who either don't know the ropes, or unable to to access. Foodstamps are no help, since many of them can only get max $10/mo in FS (I've never figured that one out). And they have no way to get to a Church pantry to stand in line (we deliver).
This is painful for me that some of our elders end up this way. I think I shall start volunteering again when I move.

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I want someone to give me a link to current information from a reliable source on where beef is being fed animal biproducts from mammals.
I almost thought you were joking since this has received so much press over the years. There are hundreds of links, the below are the first two that came up with a simple Google search:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/158359_feed28.html
http://www.rense.com/general60/cannibal.htm
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Old 11/19/09, 10:37 AM
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I want someone to give me a link to current information from a reliable source on where beef is being fed animal biproducts from mammals.
I almost thought you were joking since this has received so much press over the years. There are hundreds of links, the below are the first two that came up with a simple Google search:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/158359_feed28.html
http://www.rense.com/general60/cannibal.htm
It's also on the USDA website in a few places.
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There's an idea. Let's institutionalize all the hungry. It should only cost the tax payers a couple thou a month for each one.
I didn't say to institutionalize the hungry... I said to institutionalize those that you say can't care for themselves. Yeah, it's better to have meals on wheels deliver them food so they can live in a dirty/uncared for house, with maintenance issues, and all the associated problems. Than have them move to where they can be properly cared for.

Your gonna say... Who says the house is in poor shape? Well if you don't have money for food. You really don't have money for a new roof or winter heat for instance.
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SOME are not able to work and fall in all the cracks.
What "cracks". I didn't notice any floor or ceiling in this journey we call life. Life is what you make of it.
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What "cracks". I didn't notice any floor or ceiling in this journey we call life. Life is what you make of it.
*I* fall in all the cracks. It is absolutely not by choice.
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Old 11/19/09, 11:05 AM
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I almost thought you were joking since this has received so much press over the years. There are hundreds of links, the below are the first two that came up with a simple Google search:

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/158359_feed28.html
http://www.rense.com/general60/cannibal.htm

It's also on the USDA website in a few places.
You do realize your source is 5 years old?
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You do realize your source is 5 years old?
I doubt they did.
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Old 11/19/09, 11:17 AM
 
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*I* fall in all the cracks. It is absolutely not by choice.
My point is the only "cracks" are in the social programs.
If you don't expect them to be available. You wont miss them when they are not.

One must fend for themselves to truly live.
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Whew!
Changing how you feed your family, isn't as simple as simply learning to bake from scratch. I would like to suggest that the first pan of cornbread is going to cost them the same amount as if they were baking 10 pans. They have to buy flour, sugar, oil, baking powder, eggs, milk, corn meal, etc. Unless I am mistaken, you have to buy each of those in quantities that exceed one pan. Maybe that is why so many buy those cheap packages of mixes? Once they have those basic ingredients they are good to go, but start up costs can't be overlooked. It is an investment they might not have while trying to feed their family. You are basically saying go ahead an buy a month's groceries with a week's funds. I have moved several times and had to start over again with filling the fridge with those little things. That first trip to the store in a new place can be quite eye opening. You can buy a frozen pizza for the price of the can of baking powder. And honestly, I think cheap food does more to encourage obesity than any other thing. Soda is cheaper than milk after all.
This is a trap you are falling into. Once you start saying that buying prepared foods is cheaper than buying scratch, you've already gone down the path to total prepared food dependence like Loquisimo has. You may have to buy a sack of flour and a dozen eggs to make one meal, but once you do, you still have almost a full sack of flour and 11 eggs to make more meals. Once you buy that can of baking powder it is going to last for years. You don't throw it away after one scoopful, do you? How long is that frozen pizza going to last?

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Change is hard. First you have to muster up the courage to want to even try to change. Then you have to maintain. Some help and encouragement would go a long ways. Many folks just can't visualize themselves changing - they have no hope so they don't try.
I am accussed of attaching Loquisimo, but in truth Loquisimo I really do have your best interest at heart. I am trying to help you, by making you want to help yourself. What I am trying to do is shock you into understanding that you are making bad choices about your life, and only you can make those changes. I want you to go to your public library this weekend and spend some time learning how to do new things. Teaching yourself through books might be the best way to advance yourself out of the rut you're in. Please Loquisimo, go to the library!
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Old 11/19/09, 11:44 AM
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This discussion lost credibility in the first post. I want someone to give me a link to current information from a reliable source on where beef is being fed animal biproducts from mammals.

As for as the accuracy of the reports submitted, I have no confidence. For myself, I am inundated by government surveys regarding farming. If I do not return the paperwork I get phone calls to the home starting at 7 AM until 9 PM six days a week. It has gotten to the point that I just submit the replies without researching my records.
Not mammals but disgusing anyhow.

PDF from USDA.GOV
http://ddr.nal.usda.gov/bitstream/10...ND20468096.pdf
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Poultry litter, when mixed with feed grains, has been found to be a successful feed for cattle. About 4.2% of the poultry litter produced in the United States is fed to cattle (also sheep, as mentioned in the same paragraph).
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This is a trap you are falling into. Once you start saying that buying prepared foods is cheaper than buying scratch, you've already gone down the path to total prepared food dependence like Loquisimo has.
You didn't read Callieslamb's post closely enough. What she was saying is, the FIRST TIME you stock up on scratch items, the cost is high. And it is. BTDT!!!
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You didn't read Callieslamb's post closely enough. What she was saying is, the FIRST TIME you stock up on scratch items, the cost is high. And it is. BTDT!!!
I think that's something we can all agree.

Plus the cookware and other asorted food prep items. I sware it cost us a fortune to "save" in the future. But now with a family of 5 it's paying dividends in spades.
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CNN had a story on the same thing this morning. The angle was that more people needed financial aid. All the people interviewed were really overweight. Didn't look like any of them knew where a tomato comes from.
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I am accussed of attaching Loquisimo, but in truth Loquisimo I really do have your best interest at heart. I am trying to help you, by making you want to help yourself. What I am trying to do is shock you into understanding that you are making bad choices about your life, and only you can make those changes. I want you to go to your public library this weekend and spend some time learning how to do new things. Teaching yourself through books might be the best way to advance yourself out of the rut you're in. Please Loquisimo, go to the library!
Maybe you should give a little credit for trying then. I see people everyday that don't try and continue to milk the system just because they can. Everyone that needs help could be found and helped if we could get rid of the people using the loopholes and don't need the help. I have known people that have sold their assistance ($500 in food stamps for $250 cash), so they could buy the new flat screen. Those people need the agressive help to understand the bad choices. They people actually trying should get support and encouragement. Just my opinion though.
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