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11/16/09, 08:43 PM
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Originally Posted by cowcreekgeeks
This evening, I was doing chores outside so I decided to let the chickens free range for a bit. Two large dogs came running from the rental house across the road and stood in the road, fixated on the chickens. I yelled at them to go away but they stood their ground. I had my wife bring my shotgun to me and I ran down towards the road yelling at the dogs to no avail. I aimed my shotgun a couple feet away from me and pulled the trigger. The dogs ran off toward the house.
That's when I noticed the dog owner sitting on the porch. I've never seen that guy before so I'm sure he doesn't live there. I asked if the dogs were his and he stood up and staggered away from me. I asked again but he didn't answer so I let him know that if those dogs came after my livestock I WOULD kill them. He hollered back that he WOULD kill ME!
I dropped my shotgun where I stood and stepped out into the road asking him what he said. He hightailed it down the road. I started to pursue him but thought better of it and dialed 911.
Good thing I did.
He flagged down someone and told them I was trying to shoot him! That person dialed 911 also. When the deputies arrived I told them what happened. One deputy asked where the dog was so I explained that they were in the road only 15 feet away from my hens. I described how they were fixated on them and didn't flinch when I yelled at them.
He asked me to let the dogs come into my yard before I pull a trigger next time. I told him that if they were in my yard it would be too late and I wouldn't have used a warning shot.
A different deputy pulled up and told me I should have used my head. I told him I thought I had. He informed me that I could go to jail for months for discharging my firearm within 500 feet of a residence. I told him if that was the case, everyone would be in jail.
He then said that I had no proof that I wasn't shooting at someone. I told him that 1) there was a hole in my yard where I discharged the gun and 2) there wasn't a body...because if I intended to kill someone there would definitely be a body.
I told them that I was simply protecting what was mine and that I would do so again if need be.
I'm so frustrated that the deputies made me the bad guy.
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SO, the whole world is out of step except you.
You are wrong here (even in West Virginia). The dogs did no damage to you or your livestock, and yet you found it necessary to fire a shot. I think it is called "menacing".
Now we all want our livestock and property to be safe. Just between you and I , it sounds like you caused the problem this time.
If I had been the deputy who responded to your call you would have gone to JAIL and had your shotgun confiscated, just for my safety.
You sound very much like a hothead who could benefit from a cooling off period. 
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11/16/09, 09:13 PM
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Or an internet Troll.
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11/16/09, 11:29 PM
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In Kentucky, regarding dogs & livestock.....if its small livestock like chickens & ducks, they have to be in the process of attacking them on your property. Sucks, but thats the gist of the law that you have to wait until your small livestock are being damaged or killed.
Now, in regards to dogs and large livestock....or people.....all the dogs have to be doing is harrassing or threatening to attack in order to shoot the dog. For people, of course, its an easy no brainer. The difference though with the large livestock is the fact that if the dog chased the horse/cow/donkey/etc out of the containment fencing and into a roadway, someone is likely to get hurt if they hit it.
A small livestock animal such as a chicken would be a kinda messy speed bump if it got run over.
We had an incident a couple-three years ago regarding someone's dogs and our ducks. They live a few miles away from us, and their dogs were in our pasture attacking the ducks. As DH went for the pistol, I was running and hollering at them. One dog broke away, came up onto the road, and layed there on his back with a "I'm sorry....pet me" look on his face. The other one didnt stop what he was doing. We stopped him though.
Animal control (that showed up almost an hour later) was like "why didnt you call us first?" and the dude that owned the dog was "why did you shoot my $400 dog over a $5 duck?".
One, it took the animal control people an hour to get there. As to the dog owner, he was the one who let his pricey hunting dogs go to run loose....and it was in MY pasture eating MY $5 duck. 
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11/17/09, 01:00 AM
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Have to agree this situation was handled poorly by all parties. I understand the intention though. I have a rule I try and live by when it comes to firearms. Never fire a weapon in an excited state unless it is to save a life in imminent danger. We have had problems with dogs and our free roaming chickens and ducks on our homestead. If the dog is off my property and "eyeing" my animals I have a BB gun to persuade him to move along. If the dog is on my property and eyeing my animals I remove the threat with a more permanent solution. No yelling or threats involved. If the neighbor doesn't like it the dog was on my property. I would recommend trying to apologize for your part in the situation. Keeping good relations with your neighbors is pretty important in rural areas and a misunderstanding can grow into a serious problem over time.
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11/17/09, 01:32 AM
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In most areas of the USA it is illegal to fire on, from, or across a road or right-of-way, for obvious reasons. The dogs were not attacking your livestock -- they had the ability to, but you don't have any right to defend the road with deadly force against a loose dog.
In washington State, where I live, I've had problems with dogs actually attacking my livestock, you can read about it and here and here.
For an example of the laws that are out there, here's a link to the washington state statue.
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11/17/09, 02:17 AM
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"I'm so frustrated that the deputies made me the bad guy."
and why wouldn't they?? you were the one that pulled the trigger...maybe you should pack up and move back to your nice safe suburban home or your inner city apartment... if a neighbors dog that is not even on your property is enough to touch you off than you have no business living in the country...your neighbor is the last person you want mad at you if you intend to stay where you are at...some neighbors go out of their way to be unfriendly but they are usually city transplants or as we call the "wanna-bees" ...
believe it were me I'd be trying to make peace with that neighbor...
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11/17/09, 06:20 AM
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Note that the original poster hasn't commented. Was he was baiting us and enjoying the responses?
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11/17/09, 06:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Alice In TX/MO
Note that the original poster hasn't commented. Was he was baiting us and enjoying the responses?
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Yeah and he called me a troll. Either he is one or he just doesn't want to respond because no one is taking his side. Oh well he said he didn't come here to make friends with everyone. That is a good thing because no one has agreed with him lol.
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11/17/09, 06:43 AM
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You sound very much like a hothead who could benefit from a cooling off period. |
My thought exactly, you shot at 2 dogs that were not on your property? what right do you have to do that? and why are you threatening neighbors when they and their dogs have done nothing to you nor been on your property? Then to top it off you act like a jerk to the deputies. Sorry, but you were 100% wrong.
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11/17/09, 08:26 AM
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He has already stated that he shot a couple of feet away from him, into the ground on his own land. It was the noise that frightened the dogs away.
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11/17/09, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by cowcreekgeeks
I'm so frustrated that the deputies made me the bad guy.
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Because you were.
While your anger is understandable, you raised the bar tremendously when you brought a gun into the picture.
The unarmed neighborhood wacko screaming at strangers from their front yard can be dismissed pretty easily. Even when threatening to kill. But when that neighborhood wacko is screaming, while carrying a gun they just fired. That cannot be dismissed. And you are that neighborhood wacko, from the description you gave of your own story.
Some people shouldn't own guns. Your description of yourself makes it appear you are one of those people who shouldn't own a gun.
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11/17/09, 08:50 AM
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This is an example of "Shoot first, ask questions afterwards" attitude that should only exist in a Clint Eastwood movie.....
I defend the Second Ammendment, but, boy, so many people keep a gun without knowing anything else but how to load it and pull the trigger.....
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11/17/09, 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Terri
He has already stated that he shot a couple of feet away from him, into the ground on his own land. It was the noise that frightened the dogs away.
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It doesn't matter. By his own description of the event, he committed several crimes, including at least one felony.
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11/17/09, 03:11 PM
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What felony or crimes did he commit?
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11/17/09, 05:38 PM
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LOL...I used a gun to make a noise to scare off a dog. I didn't shoot at the dog. I didn't shoot across the road. I let the (drunk)dog owner know that his dogs would lose their life if they attacked my livestock.
Yes, the dog was in the road and not on my land but why wait until there's a dead chicken when a warning scares the potential attacker away?
I admit I should not have stepped out to confront the guy that threatened me. When I did so I was unarmed. I turned around as soon as I saw that he was walking down the road. So really, no pursuit.
Two deputies agreed with me. The third that pulled up later was the one that gave me a hard time. He was the youngest of the group and I have decided to chalk that up to youthful exuberance. A lot of you folks read this post and decided to come up with your own ideas about what went down. Some of you actually accused me of doing things that I did not do.
After speaking with the sheriff today by telephone I was assured that if I really did something wrong, I'd be in jail.
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11/17/09, 06:29 PM
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Cops will often tell you how you are in the wrong...when the law actually is something totally different.
Apart from confronting the dogs owner,I fail to see the problem.
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11/18/09, 12:45 PM
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There is a question of trolling and stirring the pot.....
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Originally Posted by starjj
Yeah and he called me a troll. Either he is one or he just doesn't want to respond because no one is taking his side. Oh well he said he didn't come here to make friends with everyone. That is a good thing because no one has agreed with him lol.
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He didn't actually call you a troll; what he said was "But I think you are trolling."
There is a difference in being called a troll and trolling.
Trolling could be construed as a method of fishing where one
or more fishing lines, baited with lures or bait fish, are drawn
through the water. Which probably wasn't the case here......
Anyway, you likely weren't being a troll.......which can't be said for the following individuals.
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Originally Posted by mnn2501
My thought exactly, you shot at 2 dogs that were not on your property? what right do you have to do that? and why are you threatening neighbors when they and their dogs have done nothing to you nor been on your property? Then to top it off you act like a jerk to the deputies. Sorry, but you were 100% wrong.
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Commenting on "facts never in evidence" is called stirring the pot and is definitely a form of "trolling"......this seems to be a common habit; please stop it.
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Originally Posted by TurnerHill
It doesn't matter. By his own description of the event, he committed several crimes, including at least one felony.
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Same goes for commenting on possible crimes that have been committed
*(and of course it ALL depends on the state this occurred in).......
without providing the proof on which crime was considered a
felony in the mind of the pot stirrer. IF there had been a crime
committed, the officers who came out to investigate would have
taken the appropriate action necessary. It appears that the O.P.
is NOT writing this thread, from behind jail house bars.
So, let's just stick to the facts at hand, instead of "stirring the pot".....
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11/18/09, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by copperkid3
So, let's just stick to the facts at hand, instead of "stirring the pot".....
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Stirring the pot or not I am glad this man is neither my neighbor nor living in my neighborhood.
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11/18/09, 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazy J
Stirring the pot or not I am glad this man is neither my neighbor nor living in my neighborhood.
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Amen to that!
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11/18/09, 02:52 PM
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Yes, the dog was in the road and not on my land but why wait until there's a dead chicken when a warning scares the potential attacker away?
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Because you have no legal right to do anything to a dog not on your property, and not attacking your animals, just like youve already been told many times
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