One More, Land Posted Thread

[Jennifer L.]

Well, this farm has been posted for many years, and most other landowners around here do, too. I RESPECT newcomers who do the same thing because it's a public notice that they are going to respect everyone else's posted land, too. They aren't going to be running on my place, which is good.

And the kid asked permission, which proves the point of how they view things.

BTW, guess what, the people from the city come here to hunt and they don't ask permission and tresspass, anyway. So if you have a neighbor proven to respect others' property, I sure wouldn't be whining about it. That's the kind of neighbor I'd like to have.

My neighbor and some of his friends hunt my place, btw.

Jennifer

[TurnerHill]

Originally Posted by Jennifer L.

Well, this farm has been posted for many years, and most other landowners around here do, too. I RESPECT newcomers who do the same thing because it's a public notice that they are going to respect everyone else's posted land, too. They aren't going to be running on my place, which is good.

And the kid asked permission, which proves the point of how they view things.

BTW, guess what, the people from the city come here to hunt and they don't ask permission and tresspass, anyway. So if you have a neighbor proven to respect others' property, I sure wouldn't be whining about it. That's the kind of neighbor I'd like to have.

My neighbor and some of his friends hunt my place, btw.

Jennifer

Different places have different cultures. If you move to a place where open access has been the tradition for centuries, and then post, you are not going to fit in with the prevailing culture.

Which is fine, of course. Just don't complain about how unfriendly the locals are.

[Mike in Ohio]

Originally Posted by EDDIE BUCK

Are most of you folks telling me you wouldn't feel the least bit unwelcome should you decide to go on that land, and feel the "NO TRESSPASSING" is not speaking to you.If so, WHO DO you think it is speaking to?

Of course I feel unwelcome if land is posted and I have not been given specific permission to go on it. That's the point of the land being posted. Do I feel offended? Absolutely not. Why would the "NO TRESSPASSING" not be speaking to me if I haven't been given permission by the owner to go on their land?

Why should I decide to go on their land (I note that you refer to it as "that land rather than "their land". I assume this is an attempt to reduce the notion of their property rights in "that land".) if I don't have their permission?

On a personal level it doesn't matter to me whether the land is posted or not. I don't go on other peoples land without their permission. To do otherwise is disrespectful of them and their right to choose who they wish to welcome to their place.

If I feel I have a compelling reason to go on their land then I will contact them and ask.

There are of course common sense exceptions to this. For example, if I am walking down the road and I see an ax murderer dismembering members of my neighbors family I may just go on their posted property. Those sorts of situations tend to be the exception rather than the rule.

Another exception would be a place with a farmstand that says "Welcome customers". Even in that situation I recognize that the welcome doesn't extend to rambling across their back 40 going wild flower picking or hunting.

Mike

[||Downhome||]

Im scratching my head, either some folks dont read or dont read to well, I admit my spelling, punctuation and such isnt so great.

maybe some of you just are overly defensive or agressive?

EB asked a simple question about your thoughts of that paticular situation,
now I would admit that if EB had asked to hunt thier land and been flat out told no the question would carry more weight and be more to his point, I think that because they (the posters in EB's question) felt the need to through out the old "stay away its mine" matt with all the signs thats the way he and many others take it "stay away its mine" almost like a dont bother to ask cause thats the mentality we have. as has been elaborated other posts.

So if their not willing to share do they really have a right to share in anything anyone else has? now again they may be willing to share not real sure no ones asked as far as I know its only being presumed at this point.

no one said you couldnt post your property. I know that at times the signs can protect you legaly with out you having to be there but they really shouldnt be needed if people are respectfull of others like my mother always told me "if it isnt yours dont touch it with out permission" is in some way part of the scenario and EB gave the setup with the whole scene in the OP

[salmonslayer]

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http://freestateproject.org/nhinfo

Thanks, I had not heard that before and will check it out, sounds interesting.

[Mike in Ohio]

Please show where in the original post EB indicated that the people had turned down everyone from hunting on their land. All he said was that they posted their land and they later asked the neighbor if they could hunt on his land.

There is nothing to indicate that they do not allow any hunting whatsoever on their land.
There is nothing to indicate whether or not they have had problems with people tresspassing on their land.

Mike

[||Downhome||]

Originally Posted by Mike in Ohio

Please show where in the original post EB indicated that the people had turned down everyone from hunting on their land. All he said was that they posted their land and they later asked the neighbor if they could hunt on his land.

There is nothing to indicate that they do not allow any hunting whatsoever on their land.
There is nothing to indicate whether or not they have had problems with people tresspassing on their land.

Mike

mike please reread my last post. as far as eddies post its called reading between the lines many got what he was getting at with out it being said outright.

Originally Posted by ||Downhome||

Im scratching my head, either some folks dont read or dont read to well, I admit my spelling, punctuation and such isnt so great.

maybe some of you just are overly defensive or agressive?

EB asked a simple question about your thoughts of that paticular situation,
now I would admit that if EB had asked to hunt thier land and been flat out told no the question would carry more weight and be more to his point, I think that because they (the posters in EB's question) felt the need to through out the old "stay away its mine" matt with all the signs thats the way he and many others take it "stay away its mine" almost like a dont bother to ask cause thats the mentality we have. as has been elaborated other posts So if their not willing to share do they really have a right to share in anything anyone else has?. now again they may be willing to share not real sure no ones asked as far as I know its only being presumed at this point.

no one said you couldnt post your property. I know that at times the signs can protect you legaly with out you having to be there but they really shouldnt be needed if people are respectfull of others like my mother always told me "if it isnt yours dont touch it with out permission" is in some way part of the scenario and EB gave the setup with the whole scene in the OP

[Mike in Ohio]

I read your last post ||Downhome||.

The fact that these people posted their property doesn't necessarily mean they aren't willing to share.... it may mean that they choose not to share with random people. What exactly is wrong with that?

The fellow went and asked the neighbor permission to hunt on his land. Waht exactly is wrong with that?

You are making assertions about the original post that simply are not written there.

One can infer (based on his past postings) where EB wanted the thread to go but based on the facts presented in his post there is no reason to infer bad intent or ill mannered behavior on the part of the person that posted their land.

So if you feel I am wrong, please answer my questions and point to where in the original post there is something that supports what you said..... as in quote the related parts of the original post.

Mike

[||Downhome||]

like I said in the previous post its only assumed that they wont let anyone hunt it, you got to take into account the local thought proccess wich is "why else would they post it " i dont know how else to put it.

Originally Posted by TurnerHill

Different places have different cultures. If you move to a place where open access has been the tradition for centuries, and then post, you are not going to fit in with the prevailing culture.

Which is fine, of course. Just don't complain about how unfriendly the locals are.

Originally Posted by Cabin Fever

Not exactly on topic but.....There is nothing that turns the long time "locals" off like "new neighbors" who post their property with No Tresspassing signs every few feet.

Originally Posted by Cabin Fever

Read what I posted very slowly and you'll find that I never said whatever it is that you assumed I said.

Let me rephrase what I said. Don't automatically expect to be cheerfully welcomed by your new neighbors if the first thing you do when you move into an area is post your land with numerous "No Trespassing" signs.

Originally Posted by EDDIE BUCK

Bingo,That pretty much is whats happening.Its the only posted land around,but I have no problem with them posting their land,its theirs.Its not that I would like to hunt their land, I don't.I don't even hunt mine that much.
The way I look at it is,if you want to get permission to hunt my land,those signs that tell everybody including me,to stay off your land, better be down when you ask.Now, if you had to post your land because of some nut tresspassing or shooting all around where they shouldn't,go ahead and post it.
Then go out of your way and call and tell the land owners around you,those signs don't include them and they are still welcome.
I guess I'm living in the past.I was raised to respect others and their property and never give anyone reason for them to post their property from me.I expect the same in reguard to me and my property.Should something happen that would cause a problem?If we could not settle our differences,our land would be off limits to each other,but no posted sign would be nailed up,we wouldn't need one,we know where we are not wanted with out a sign to mark the way.
Perhaps its like a city or country thing,the city folks turn country,but don't know the country ways and the country folks say,look them gol darn city slickers have done posted their land,better not ketchum on mine,lol.
I got to tell this then I'll hush. (TRUE Story) About twenty years ago,a few of us old rednecks were deer hunting.Back then we hunted with pickup trucks,dogs and cb radios.In the area that we were hunting a farm had been sold and the owner had posted the land.None of us knew about it.
Anyway as the day was going by,the only one of us that saw the land was posted,couldn't read,and was the one who discovered the land being posted.Well he got on the cb and let it be known.Then one of usasked just what all was wrote on it?
He said,he won't all that good at reading(couldn't read a lick)but he was pretty sure them big letters said "STAY OFF" lol eb

Originally Posted by ||Downhome||

I don't think that is what is being said, in most parts there is either standing agreement of understanding among the long term folks, long time neighbors who talk to each other, I'm sure most folks of the decent sort would check with new neighbors about use of their land, new neighbors in areas like that don't go unnoticed after all, and it would be presumptuous to assume that such a understanding would hold to them. but posting like that is well viewed as a unneighborly thing for lack of a better term.

do you really think signs keep someone out,if anything its more a invitation then anything.

theres a old saying "locks are for honest people" decent people don't need signs to tell them where their not suppose to be.

it was said in the other thread if you really want to keep folks out get a fence gets the message across with out being over the top (even just wire)
though a trespasser will trespass regardless of what you do some people just don't have respect.

[EDDIE BUCK]

Originally Posted by Mike in Ohio

Why should I decide to go on their land (I note that you refer to it as "that land rather than "their land". I assume this is an attempt to reduce the notion of their property rights in "that land".)

Mike

Go back over my posts and OP and see how many times I refered to THEIR land.lol
Ok,let me make one more example,this time in a town.(LAST EXAMPLE) Say you live in a quite little neighborhood,one where everyone knows everyone else and everyone visits each other,whoever or whenever they like.Ok,lets say that one of the homeowners decides to move.

He or She sells their place and moves.You think its neighborly to go and introduce yourself to the new neighbors and welcome them to the neighborhood.

When you arive at their place,you happen to see someone out in the back yard,but as you start to walk back there,theres a "NO TRESSPASSING SIGN"you have to walk past.No more of the homes in the neighborhood has signs,whatcha gunna do?

Do you think that sign is welcoming you onto their property or do these folks want you to stay off.Don't seem to be too friendly,now does it. Ain't arguing anymore,no point in it.But you can still hunt my land,it ain't posted,that is unless yours is. IM JOKING COME ON HUNT,,LOL Eddie Buck

[GoatsRus]

Our land was not posted until I walked out on my back porch and found 2 men down by the creek fishing about 100 yards from the house. Didn't know them, never saw them before. I went down there and asked what they were doing on our property. Their response was," you don't own the creek and your land isn't posted so we waded upsteam". I told them that the land that creek ran through was ours and they better start wading downstream and go fish off the bridge at the road. I stood there until they left. The next day I went and got posted signs and put them up.

So do you still think all land should be unposted? My neighbors hunt my land but I sure don't need every jackass that stops his truck at the bridge decide to wade upsteam to our house.

[||Downhome||]

that wouldnt fly here unless of course the creek was at its highest point and they where on the bank and not wadeing , though if there was a reason for them to leave the water like an obstruction or such they would still be legal in that case but here high water mark is considered part of the water way.

now you can hunt from a water way but only on adjoining public property open to hunting, game on private property is reserved for the land owner and those they give permission. but you cant keep them from fishing and if you hamper thier attempts to fish you are guilty of angler harasment.

my dad use to go to this spot , it was a small penninsula jutting into a medium lake, old guy that had the house there rented canoes him and dad where friends and he didnt care if anyone fished, well he died or sold some young hot head got the property kept the canoe rental going, so dad asked if he could continue fishing, guy was a jerk dad responded in kind well the lake goes to the road so dads fishing at the road, this guy comes out in one of his canoes and and tells him he cant fish there and even puts a post and no no fishing sign, guess he was trying to drum up his canoe buisness anyways dad goes to the bar across the street and calls the dnr, dnr straightens this guy out, guy really rubs the dnr officer the wrong way, the officer gets looking into things , theres a state park boardering most of the lake well turned out the county owned half the penninsula they put in a parking lot and boat launch , lol all the guy had to do was leave the old man alone and let him fish, he asked permission and was told no and found a different spot that he was more then entitled to fish cost that guy his canoe rental before the boat launch it was the only real way to get out on the water.

that might not be the case for you but if it would of been me I would of talked to the guys to get a feel for them ask if they mind if I saw there fishing license if they didnt have it and I didnt like the feel I got from them well easy enough to get rid of them then but if they where licensed and I liked them well I would ask they be courteous and not leave anything and what I would appreciate like a nice distance from the house and what not.
thers a few spots I fish that are like that and I stay away from the house and dont leave a mess or make a ruckus. but I find most sportsmen very decent even over and beyond decent.

Im not saying you dont have a right to post your property or exert your rights.
and if those guys where fishing that close to your house they should of asked
if you minded that would of at least been courteous even if the where legal.

[fantasymaker]

Of course its unfriendly to post your land thats why I recomend a big fence and a rented Lion.

[Mike in Ohio]

Originally Posted by ||Downhome||

like I said in the previous post its only assumed that they wont let anyone hunt it, you got to take into account the local thought proccess wich is "why else would they post it " i dont know how else to put it.

Ah, now I understand. Being a mind reader is a requirement for being a landowner.

As far as all the quotes from different posts you included, your statement was with regard to the OP (original post). None of the additional comments, opinions or diatribes were part of that post. We were asked to comment on the facts as originally presented.

Mike

[||Downhome||]

your still not getting it, the newcomers come across as unnieghborly as thats not how things are done there the locals take offence at wanting to use some one elses property when they have barred theres when for years before them there where never any issues,EB pointed out had they of left the welcome matt out they would of met the niegbors and known they were welcome anywhere and where they wernt.your just not geting the concept here and I give up mike, anyone else get this and can explain it,
and I did as did those other posters I quoted, sometimes you have to read between the lines or just know what some ones talking about, I understood the intent and EB's thought process as did those others I qouted we are all on the same page. read eddies last post maybe that will get it through to you,
read ebs post I quoted hes spelling it out at that point twice in different terms. and mike Im not singling you out ,there are others in the thread that arnt geting it either and its not just this thread, Im not trying to be argumenitive or troublesome or rude, it just seems no one auctually reads anything but what they want and I am guilty of reading into thing I feel passionate about or misreading something also. so no hard feelings here but Im done on this one too.

[Mike in Ohio]

Originally Posted by EDDIE BUCK

Go back over my posts and OP and see how many times I refered to THEIR land.lol
Ok,let me make one more example,this time in a town.(LAST EXAMPLE) Say you live in a quite little neighborhood,one where everyone knows everyone else and everyone visits each other,whoever or whenever they like.Ok,lets say that one of the homeowners decides to move.

He or She sells their place and moves.You think its neighborly to go and introduce yourself to the new neighbors and welcome them to the neighborhood.

When you arive at their place,you happen to see someone out in the back yard,but as you start to walk back there,theres a "NO TRESSPASSING SIGN"you have to walk past.No more of the homes in the neighborhood has signs,whatcha gunna do?

Do you think that sign is welcoming you onto their property or do these folks want you to stay off.Don't seem to be too friendly,now does it. Ain't arguing anymore,no point in it.But you can still hunt my land,it ain't posted,that is unless yours is. IM JOKING COME ON HUNT,,LOL Eddie Buck

This is an easy one. I would, using my best "hello the house" voice say "Hi neighbor, I just wanted to bring these brownies over and introduce myself. Mind if I come in?".

Future steps would depend on the response. If they tell me to put my brownies in a place where the sun don't shine then I know that their "No Tresspassing" sign applies to me. If they engage me in conversation then I'll ask them if the sign applies to neighbors dropping by. It really isn't all that hard.

I try to be as respectful of other peoples privacy and property as I expect them to be of mine.

Thanks for the offer of hunting on your land but I'm comfortable with hunting on ours. If I know you and you said you were going to be in the area I might say fine. Depends on what is going on.

We don't let random people hunt our land for a couple reasons.

The first is that the hunting ground comprises a small hollow and we want to know who is there as a shot from one side could easily hit someone on the other side...very heavily wooded. One time we had some trespassing bozos that started shooting when my wife was down by our back lake picking mushrooms.

The second is that there are plenty of relatives, friends and neighbors who hunt and have already asked if they can hunt.... more than would be reasonable (primarily gun/deer season) if we said yes to everyone. That kind of cuts out random people walking up and asking. We have a friend that traps our property and I surely don't want random people shooting while he is out there. One year he took a shot in the leg (not on our place) while checking his line.

I'm not against hunting. Posting ones place does not necessarily mean that. It generally just means that the person wants to control who comes on their place and that isn't all that unreasonable.

Mike

[GoatsRus]

[[B|Downhome||;4101544]that wouldnt fly here unless of course the creek was at its highest point and they where on the bank and not wadeing , though if there was a reason for them to leave the water like an obstruction or such they would still be legal in that case but here high water mark is considered part of the water way.[/B]


The creek that runs behind our house is a branch of a river. "If" the river had been up, they would never had been able to get near it. The water rushes so fast it could move a car down stream. That only happens during a heavy rain. Otherwise the "river" is actually a creek to me and is low enough that you can walk the whole thing and stay in the water. These guys were up on our bank fishing - they saw a nice black hole and decided to park themselves there. They could have stayed up at the bridge at the road just like everyone else. They actually walked through 3 other neighbors properties go get to ours. I don't need people I don't know on my property close to my house or animals. I was home alone at the time. Since I'm not use to people showing up at the back of my house unannounced, I was stupid and went out there only with a cell phone. Next time it will be with my 32.

[Mike in Ohio]

Downhome,

I get it exactly and I disagree with you. How people treat each other has nothing to do with whether they are newcomers or long time residents. There is a real simple philosophy that works great. Mind Your Own Business.

If you don't like the way "these people" behave then buy up the land when it becomes available. On the one hand you say it's their land to do with what they want and on the other hand you complain when they do.

I don't see the owner of the property here complaining that his neighbor posted his land and then came to ask about hunting on the neighboring property. I see unrelated 3rd parties whining and moaning about how unfair and wrong it is.

As far as newcomers, I have to laugh about your comment. A cousin who is in her late 80s (who used to own our farm) was talking about one of our neighbors and his doings. She looked down her nose at me and commented "His family has only been in the area for 80 years, I can remember when they moved in".

Mike

[Minimomma]

As far as newcomers, I have to laugh about your comment. A cousin who is in her late 80s (who used to own our farm) was talking about one of our neighbors and his doings. She looked down her nose at me and commented "His family has only been in the area for 80 years, I can remember when they moved in".

Tee Hee Hee
I guess I wouldn't have to worry about being considered a newcomer. Our farm has been owned by our family for over 100 years

Yes, we have a plaque from the state to prove it.

[Oldcountryboy]

Nothing wrong with posting your land and then asking to hunt on your neighbors land. However, if you want to hunt on your neighbors land then they should have the right to hunt on your land also. Posting can be a form of getting people to ask permission to hunt on your land instead of just entering your land without permission.

If I had some sizeable acreage worth hunting on, I would post it also. If someone came up and asked permission to hunt on it, I would probably Okay it, so long as they abide by the law and any laws of my own. And it's always nice to be considerate and offer the landowners some of your game or fish caught on the place or invite them to come with you on your outing.