Poachers

"Posted" can mean "no trespassing", not necessarily "No Hunting". In Wisconsin, the law now says that you don't even have to have "No Trespassing" signs up, it is assumed you can't go on someone's property without permission.
We used to post our land "No Trespassing" because we wanted to control who hunted on our property, not prevent hunting entirely.

But it isn't your land, so why do you get to decide what is and is not acceptable to the land owner?

To many people, the fact that your dog is hunting makes it worse.
To many people that makes it more of a trespass.

I am amazed at how many people believe it is just that they tell a landowner what he or she can do with his or her land.

Here's my idea-

BUY YOUR OWN LAND!

Then it's a good thing you're in ohio,and not wisconsin.If you shoot my hound while engaged in LEGAL hunting,with a tracking collar on,you just bought my dog,paid for my emotional distress and pay a fine for distruction of private property,but hey it's good you have an opinion.

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now lets see here,mind ya Ive already posted but some of these responses are well pretty , I DONT HAVE ANY WORDS FOR WHAT THEY ARE!

I dont hunt with dogs, though I do own some when mine get loose and go for a run ( it does happen ) I dont always know wich way or where they go,
the most trouble they do is tear up garbage and most people know who they belong to so they sometimes get returned and others I get a call. Im thankfull most people are understanding and yes I go out of my way to try and keep them happy healthy and at home but they are smart dogs, reminds me of jurassic park where the guys explaining the raptors and how they are always testing the fence. Now I understand hunting, I understand hunting dogs , what I dont understand is the self rightous attitude of some of you, the dog shooters that is, and hers a little thought hunters have a clue at the very least where there dog headed so if they are anything like me and heres what I mean "I dont have to prove it , I just have to think it" you might find yourself in a precarious situation, good hunting dogs and the collars that where suggested to be burned are pretty pricey plus folks get attached to thier dogs as well as put time into it. now bird dogs are different then hounds they work with the hunter and dont chase, hounds are trained to trail and tree or bay the game
thats what they do! I agree with pops about buying land next to state and federal lands and then crying about the hunters thats much like many complain about thier country nieghbors when they come from the city. if you shot my dogs just for being where they shouldnt , me and you would have some issues now if you could show me they actually had caused harm that would be different and I would make restitution for the damages. I think some of ya need to get off your high horses and realize the purpose of chase dogs and how they operate and if you dont like that well pass a law to make that kind of hunting illegal or move where it allready is! (of course we are hitting a hippocrit factor with much of this and again are approaching it because many of the dog shooters wouldnt want any laws passed limiting thier choosen activitys or lifestyle)

Again, you aren't at all familiar with Alaska.

I had a big response but decided to narrow it down to this:

EVERYONE I know scouts before they hunt.
EVERYONE.

EVERYONE I know, when scouting, when they come across land that is not clearly public land and is not clearly marked (only a fool would trust the signs) comes home and says...

I need to go to (the burrough/fish and game) and get a map of (fill in the blank). I didn't SEE a posting and I can't tell if it's private land or not.

NO-ONE says "I found a great spot and it isn't posted so I KNOW it's okay."

I praise the Creator daily for allowing me to live here.

Bless up.
Love,
Natty

http://touchngo.com/lglcntr/akstats/...Section350.htm

(b) For purposes of this section, a person who, without intent to commit a crime on the land, enters or remains upon unimproved and apparently unused land, which is neither fenced nor otherwise enclosed in a manner designed to exclude intruders, is privileged to do so unless


(1) notice against trespass is personally communicated to that person by the owner of the land or some other authorized person; or


(2) notice against trespass is given by posting in a reasonably conspicuous manner under the circumstances.


(c) A notice against trespass is given if the notice


(1) is printed legibly in English;


(2) is at least 144 square inches in size;


(3) contains the name and address of the person under whose authority the property is posted and the name and address of the person who is authorized to grant permission to enter the property;


(4) is placed at each roadway and at each way of access onto the property that is known to the landowner;


(5) in the case of an island, is placed along the perimeter at each cardinal point of the island; and


(6) states any specific prohibition that the posting is directed against, such as "no trespassing," "no hunting," "no fishing," "no digging," or similar prohibitions.


I will make the point that less signage is accepted as notice-
I have NEVER seen a "No Trespassing" sign that contained contact info for the person.

Generally what you get is a "POSTED NO TRESPASSING" sign, standard commercial model, at the compass points and roads into HUGE TRACTS OF LAND.

When you post your land, post it as hunting with written permission. Nobody has to know that you are the only one who has permission to hunt on your property!

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You should have got the fence with the property.
If you can afford the land you can afford the fence.

Or you can whine.

Are they allowed to shoot while on your property?

Thank-you.
Natty

Well, you can lock your door-

or you can whine.

Or both.

It is ALL DEGREES OF ENCROACHMENT.


How unbelievably inconsiderate does a person have to be to HUNT on a stranger's land without permission?

I am absolutely GOBSMACKED that ANYONE is defending that position.

It's not always houndsmen tresspassing just for the fun of it.If hounds are on a bear you can't always get to them before they cross onto private land,which is usually in big blocks of public land.Thats not to say there arent dishonest hound hunters out there,but when people start talking about taking/killing hounds it will turn any houndsmen into a bad one,me included.I had a guy drive his truck into a ditch and almost wreck it just to hit a dog,IS THAT RIGHT?I make my living breeding hounds and guiding hunters,I try to get along with landowners as best as possible,some think the deed to 40 acres means that includes all the public land it's connected to.

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I had an idiot stand in a small stream that one could step across and that originates on my place and and try to convince me he could hunt from the stream as it was navigable water.

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Agmantoo
If they can do it,
you know you can!

Strangers hunt on my land all the time. Without permission. I'm fine with that. And I receive a break on my property tax for leaving the land unposted. A break which is paid for out of hunting license fees.

We left England for a reason. Hunting is not a priviledge of the landed nobility. I believe that even though I would say (immodestly) that I am the modern American equivilent of landed nobility.

How hard is it to comply with your states posting requirements? And how hard is it to understand that a wounded animal shouldn't be made ot suffer because some people are paranoid about people on their land?

Check your laws. Set some leghold traps with appropriate lure where the dogs are entering the property. It will not seriously hurt the dogs if done right but a few sore paws and the word will get out to avoid that area. And you can reduce the coyote population also. If the problem continues, set some kill snares for the coyotes, if the law allows. It is amazing how the hound hunters cannot keep their dogs from running on your land, but somehow manage do do so if they know that you are LEGALLY trapping it.

I've been reading this thread, and this is not the first time you make reference to YOUR state's posting laws. So just what state is that?

Thanks

Angie

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New Hampshire.

Randy
the WRC doesn't regulate dogs except in how they are used for hunting. according to the state code they may only be killed by a legally trained & state licensed euthanasia tech EXCEPT that they may be killed in defense of person or livestock (unfortunately pets aren't considered livestock but you would almost certainly get a pass for protecting your pets)
state code CH19A article 3. Animal Welfare Act (euthanasia), CH67 article 2 paragraph 14 (protection of persons & livestock)
i learned al of this when AC didn't want to let me shoot my own dog that had a brain tumor & displayed an act of unprovoked aggression. at the time there was no requirement for lisenced technicians only that the animal be rendered PAINLESSLY unconcious before being immediately killed. it has since been changed to require the tech although there are certain humanitarian conditions that allow the techs, ACOs & LEOs to use otherwise illegal methods.

DO NOT RESTRAIN THE DOGS AT ALL
temporary restraint (say for the day as some suggest) is a class 2 misdemeanor
Ch 14 subCh V article 16 paragraph 14-82
extended restraint (say for the season like someone else suggested) could be EASILY construed & prosecuted as theft which would be a class 1 felony
Ch 14 subCh V article 16 paragraph 14-81

the WRC CANNOT authorize you to violate state codes nor can they do so themselves. what they can do is help you bust these trespassers if they
A. carry a weapon on your property (legally poachers then) or
B. carry off any wildlife their dogs might kill (again legally poaching at this point)

I myself have asked the WRC to change the rules to make INTENTIONAL dumping on another's property poaching. I was told that only the legislature has the authority to make that change. I support you in dealing w/ the A-holes that do this intentionally. I do not support you when the dogs run the game for several miles on public land before they follow it onto your property.

Tamsam
while i don't actually do it myself, deer dogging is a hundred times harder than still hunting. for starters you have to be a better shot to hit a deer running 30-35MPH instead of walking into bait you grew or set out for the sole purpose of ambushing it from a distance sitting in a tree or box 200+yds away. i myself use a greyhoundX & a knife when i dog deer which is also a whole heck of a lot more sporting as the deer has a chance of killing me back. most deer doggers also still or stand hunt in order to actually put meat in the freezer because it has a MUCH higher success rate about 20:1 compared to dogging. so you can take your holier than thou attitude about deer dogging and stuff it. OTH i agree completely regarding ATVs. people who get them and don't have a place to ride are morons.

Thank you for the info. It's a smallish sized beautiful state.

Angie

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I don't shoot; I used to be pretty good with a 38 revolver but that was years ago. What I said was that, if I were on the jury in a case in which a landowner shot your dog for illegal trespass, I would find for them. Emotional distress? Apparently, you're already suffering from such. Among other errors you made, Wisconsin starts with a "Big W" and destruction isn't spelled the way you think.

Again, I am absolutely gobsmacked that someone believes their lack of ability to control their dog excuses VIOLENT ARMED TRESPASS.

I'm still missing who isn't posting?

MY point is still that even a legally posted property isn't always going to be OBVIOUSLY posted.

I don't think anyone said landowners ought not post.
I have been saying they shouldn't HAVE to post, that POLITE people don't hunt on private property, posted or not.

Apparently it is unforgivably rude of me to point that out.

I can live with that.

Know why?

People almost never trespass, and when they do, I politely notify them that they are trespassing, and they leave, as per Alaska law.

When a person loses a dog and he or she thinks it may have come to my house, the person approaches ME and asks IF I'VE SEEN THEIR DOG; they don't go wandering willy nilly about on my land.

LIKE I SAID, isn't it neat that we live in different states and can vote with our feet?

I'm not sure I'd bother to "own" land in any other state.

Bless up.
Love,
Natty