Poachers

you can cut so many trees across 4wpaths that they will quit....i use to know a guy that the third time he saw a dog running deer he killed it....

put on your posters hidden camera ,web cameras, dnr research area.
saw a posted sign once that said no hunting no tresspassing,no excuses........

heard about a sign that said fued ongoing here expect to be shot at.

We had problems the first couple years after we bought this place. Now folks know that we (me especially) won't tolerate tresspassing, poaching, shooting from the road, etc. The word has spread that I will not hesitate to call the law out. My neighbor tells me they call me "Sheriff Paula" up at the store, which is fine by me. The man who cuts our hay told hubby he is scared of me because I confronted him one day and had some very nasty words for him. He's let other would be poachers know that I'm "crazy" and don't put up with nonsense.

It's good to have a reputation of having no tolerance for intruders. We haven't had a problem since the word got out about me. Hubby is now working on building his own reputation!

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You have it backwards Ozark mike.

Bad neighbors are folks who run their dogs on other peoples property without permission. Bad neighbors are folks who poach on other peoples posted property. You want to hunt on someones land then you act like a person and ask permission. If you get no for an answer then you look somewhere else.

You come on my posted land carrying a weapon and you are nothing more than an armed intruder. You run your dogs on my land without permission and I have the legal right to shoot them. I'd much prefer that the law allow me to shoot the owner rather than the dog but that is the way the law is in Ohio.

I may not own the wildlife but I own the right to hunt the wildlife on my property within the limits of the law.

y'all better check your state laws REAL careful because they vary A LOT. some of your responses might not just get someone in another state arrested they might wind you up in the pokey in your own state. IN MOST states you cannot just shoot a dog that is LEGALLY hunting even if the they follow the game onto your property. at a minimum you may be charged w/ hunter harassment &/or animal cruelty and be civilly liable for the value of the dog. NC is a perfect example in accordance w/ the state code the ONLY 2 reasons you can legally shoot a dog is protecting livestock or people from an actual attack. shooting hunting dogs running across your property can result in hunter harassment, animal cruelty & unlawful euthanasia charges.
TEXICAN in EVERY state holding onto a dog for longer than the time needed to turn it over to AC is theft of the dog & anything it is wearing. even w/ just the cost of tracking, training and other gear the dog may be wearing it could be felony theft. then add in the value of a trained hunting dog and you could be in REAL HOT water. in fact in TX your legal standing is safer shooting the dog.
the real answer to the problem is what it is to most other problems w/ unwanted visitors, a good fence. anything that deters the movement of most game will result in no tracks for a dog to follow.

Randy
if they are INTENTIONALLY dumping dogs on your property, video it and get them convicted of trespassing then you have grounds for a civil suit.

agreed and


"Most places hunters can enter private land to retrieve hounds"

NOT In This state- I have checked with the head of the game wardens, no one has the right to come onto my land without my permission for ANY reason and that includes retrieving their dogs. The same wildlife officer also told me I have the right to do anything I want with a dog caught running loose on my property.

"the real answer to the problem is what it is to most other problems w/ unwanted visitors, a good fence."

not a viable option - I have close to 5000 feet of property boundary. And why should I be the one made to pay becasue of the lack of courtesy of others? As the other fellow said. If you cant control your dogs, you either shouldnt be using them to hunt or you should be hunting an area large enough that they wont be on posted lands.

Haven't we done this a few times before? Last time was just recently if I remember right. Sheesh.

first the game warden is wrong you cannot just shoot a dog on your property. I'd like the name of this guy, i'll be glad to bring him up to speed on the state code. give me a bit & i'll quote it for you. however he is right in that NC does not have a right to trespass.
second if the dog starts the game on ground it may legally be on it's your responsibilty to keep that game off your land. if you do that i'll figure out how to teach a dog to read a posted sign.
seriously if you have guys INTENTIONALLY dumping on your land, i'm totally sympathetic. but you start slinging lead at a dog that follows a game animal on your land and you aren't stopping that game form coming on then you really haven't done all you can do and my sympathy for your position goes way down.
this isn't the same thing as the neighbor's german sheperd being left to wander the neighborhood or a guy walking his labradoodle off leash. that's why hunting dogs IN THE ACT of hunting are almost universally exempt from leash laws including local laws that don't exempt them.

Randy,

I would hold the dog to be retrieved by the game warden and let the hunters deal with him/her. I would also not confront the hunter, get photos of their truck or car and the vehicle license plate and where they are parked. Let the game warden handle the hunter. He will likely advise them to hunt elsewhere.

Some of the bubbas will try to retaliate if you confront them directly, let the game warden deal with them. Then if they try something, the game warden and the sheriff can handle them.

Good Luck and God Bless!

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You can tell what someone thinks by reading the bumper stickers on their car. You can also tell if they think at all.

Talk to your sheriff and the Dnr. They can tell you what to do. Tresspasing should not ever be tolerated.

Of course it is no different than the person letting their german shepard wander. It is inconsiderate, rude and illegal for someones hunting dogs to be running on my posted (doesn't even have to be posted to be illegal) property in Ohio. Every hunting dog I have dealt with over the years that has been wandering on my property has been observed harrassing livestock and in several instances menacing my wife when she went to shoo them away from the barns.

On at least two occasions over the years I've had random hunting dogs get into it with my tethered dog.

Everyone in the area knows which locals let their dogs roam or run their dogs on other peoples property. Some might get huffy and indignant a bit but they know what they are doing is wrong and fold pretty quick when challenged.

If you aren't local, what the heck are you thinking running your dogs without permission across strangers properties?

The responsible hunters I know rarely have problems with their dogs running in places they shouldn't be. They make sure they have enough land at their disposal to avoid the problem.

I might cut someone slack on something like this once but that is generally about it.

Some folks seem bound and determined to impose themselves on others whether directly through their own acts or by creating a situation (running their dogs on other peoples land) that is bound to turn out ugly.

In MO it is illegal to shoot any dog unless you can prove without a doubt that it was hurting your stock. I mean like a picture of it eating your cow. Dogs, as has been said, can't read signs.

As to when it was said if you don't have enough land to hunt on your own don't hunt them, that is just rubbish. We coon hunt on land we are allowed on, gov't land as well. Sometimes the dogs get on a track that leads them somewhere else and you call the dog back. Sometimes, the dog is on the chase so hard he won't listen.

We make our living right now off of coon hunting and it is a dying sport.

I will say we would never run an ATV or even a vehicle on someone's land without permission. That's just not cool.

Hope you have better luck!

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Some wild animals...like feral hogs are real smart and oftentimes will run directly into a cattle herd in an effort to try to distract the dogs and the rancher will see dogs approaching the herd and think the dogs are harrassing his livestock and shoot then later he finds out that there WAS a hog in the herd. Has happened sometimes to my friends...they took the rancher to court and he ended up paying $10k for the cost of the dog...that was in Texas.

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i run on national forrest, but guess what surrounds it, PRIVATE PROPERTY (not to mention the 2, 5, 10 & 40 acre parcels completely surrounded by national forrest). every bear, boar, cat, coyote, fox, & deer is different. some will stay within the forrest boundries a whole lot won't. now i'm not talking about going along the boundry to intentionally run game off the private land (it's wrong & illegal here). i'm talking about dropping dogs 2 or 5 miles from the nearest private land. those dogs will follow the game right across your property. when you buy a little parcel like that surrounded by 50,000 acres of national forrest or sandwiched between two 5000+ acre leases and get bent over dogs crossing you're pittance in 30 seconds or less, you're the @$$. but there are people that think exactly that they have a right to absolutely untouched privacy WITHOUT doing anything to make it that way. it is YOU"RE responsibility as the land owner to fence out what you don't want there whether it's hunting dogs or coyotes.
now unless you fall into that catergory of doofus who has 5 acres surrounded by dozens of square miles of public land or huge leases, what you're dealing w/ in Ohio is trespassing A-holes plain & simple. they are INTENTIONALLY running on your property & deserve what they get, but you make sure you stay within the law so you don't wind up giving them the land they're running on.
so i'll say it again. my dog running game in a legal hunt that happens to cross your land is NOT the same as the idiot neighbor letting his dog wander to be a menace or the citiot thinking he can use your pasture for a private dog park.

That's a great story Ted. Can you please provide us with the case citation on that. I'm willing to get a copy of the court records and post them to the HT.

Mike

SSS and that is all I have to say about it!

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All the wild hogs I've known, and I've known em since the week I was born, are practically blind (can see up Just last Saturday, I 'snuck' up on two wild hogs, while deer hunting... if it hadn't been raining, they'd'a heard me... if the wind had been blowing, they coulda smelled me.

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If you call chasing deer with dogs while you sit and wait for them to come to you hunting it is wrong. I call it shooting. Here it is not legal to chase deer with dogs so even the DNR officer will shoot a dog caught chasing deer. If you want to help pay for my land then you might get permission to use it. NOT. Stay off and there will be no trouble. Here you are required to have written permission to be on any private land on you at any time you are on said land. Another question I have is why do people go buy atvs when they have nowhere to ride them? I think it should be legal to claim the atv if it is caught on your land. Maybe that would slow down the problems they cause. We depend on hunting for most of our meat so why is it ok for someone who doesn't own my land to take game off it? Just my thoughts. Sam

My blood is boiling at some of these responses! As has already been said, DOGS CAN'T READ!! In GA you cannot legally keep or kill someone's dog. The hunter has the right to retrieve his/her dog. Dogs will follow the game, it does not know when it has crossed onto your property. DH & I have permission to hunt 4 different properties. The smallest parcel is 120 acres and yes the dogs sometimes chase a coon onto someone else's land. When we realize that has happened we go to the owner's house and ask permission to get our dogs. If the owner refuses, we just have to call the sheriff, they send out a deputy to escort us to our dogs. We have had an owner meet us in the driveway with agun and a smile. When we got out he asked if those were our dogs treed. DH said yes, the owner stated that he was about to go and shoot the coon out on them. Most owners are like that, but there are a few that think they have the right to kill anything that crosses their path. Too many trigger happy people around. If you shoot my dog, count on being sued. Between the cost of my beloved hound, his tracking collar and my attorney's fees, you will be out a big chunk. We only ride our ATVs on our or leased property to retrieve deer too big to drag. (very rarely) When we are coon hunting, we are walking.Thanks for letting me put in my 2c in, I feel much better now. I think I will go play with my babies-Dan, Fly, Joe, Miera, Chip and Nickel

Like I said earlier,if a dog has a tracking collar on or is in the act of hunting he is legally UNDER CONTROL,from all of the responses on here about shooting and or illegally holding someones hounds,it's nice to finally find out what kind of people some of you are.Most of the hound hunters in NC run bear or deer,both of those animals will line out and take you on some long runs,like was stated animals can't read.People are always quick to point out a rude houndmen,maybe I should start pointing out all the a holes who own 10 acres of land and they try to control the whole section of county land.

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