Ammo? Problems!

I think Cornhusker is right. It is as simple as this.

There were actual shortages of ammo, before the makers ramped up production. So people went to the store and weren't anble to buy what they were looking for. Then, the next time they went to the store and saw their ammo in stock, they said to themselves, "Self, I better buy extra, now that they have it." Which causes a shortage for the next customer, and the cycle repeats.

I hope those workers getting all the overtime in the ammo plants are saving their money, because what is going to happen when this settles down is that people are going to have plenty of ammo, and no need to buy any for a long time.

I topped off my ammo stocks when Obama announced his run, not when he won. I saw the writing on the wall then. Funny thing is that the store I go to in Little Rock has more ammo than any other 4 stores I know of. They have 308 by the pallet.

If you don't already, start reloading. Its going to be a while before the shelves are full again.

Been reloading since 1984 with my own equipment... Started learning long before that..

2 Dillions, 2 RCBS, 1 Lyman, 4 MEC's and all the suppiles I need to keep them going, well most ot the time.. But I should add we enjoy shooting and do quite a bit of it.. We shoot anything from flintlocks to AR's..

When we get tto much .380 brass, we make .357 bullets from them. This keeps the .357 happy

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........This is completely on the mark and I'll add one comment......the supreme court is about too render a decision that will allow all corp's too contribute $$ too the political process without reservation , so they'll only exert more sayso in our lives , than they do now ! This isn't the political forum and I don't want to be responsible for getting it closed . , fordy

way to go byexample......great post.

I don't know anyone of the many people I know who are afraid of a liberal. That tag doesn't really identify the one you will face if the need arises to lock and load. They may however facilitate the arrival of that moment all the while believing they will be protected by the gov. So be patient and accept them and protect them if the truth finally dawns in reality because they will be in more need than the rest of us.

It may not be necessary where you guys live, but here it's plumb reasonable to keep plenty of ammo on hand.
For one thing, we like to practice, we shoot targets, hunt, defend our livestock from predators, whatever.
Lotsa times we just shoot for fun, and it all takes ammo, but I wouldn't call it unnecessary.

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Actually, the city folks did pretty well during the blackout of August 2003.

I was strolling through NYC with my "bag" during that time and suprisingly, there were no riots or looting going on.

The restaurants opened their doors and cooked up all their perishable food with gas stoves by candle light and gave it away for free!

It was like one big block party. Pretty orderly except for the @$$ho13 who dumped a bunch of raw chicken off a 20 story rooftop in the darkness. It missed me by two feet!

People who didn't know to go to the Port Authority slept on the sidewalk and floor at the train station that night.

After I got tired of hanging out with friends, I made my way to the Port Authority bus terminal and got a free air condiditioned bus ride (important to me as it was 89 degrees and HUMID in the city) to the Meadowlands Stadium.

At the stadium, disaster relief was really well organized. Generator lights everywhere. the Red Cross and Salvation Army was giving out free hot meals and cold drinks. they opened up the staium for anyone who needed bathroom or shower use.

NJ Transit had a pre-arrange evacuation plan that was very orderly. buses lined up with hastily made signs indicating where they were going.

I grabbed a couple bottles of water and some granola bars from the Red Cross lady (I had given up my supplies to my friends who were still waiting by the train station - they were there all night!!) and hopped on the packed bus. I got home a little later than usual. the bus driver actually dropped me off within feet of my car (normally I'd walk a block away from the train depot to get to my car)

Careful drive home without streetlights. My backup power supply had kicked in while I was away, so I had the only house in the community with lights on. I fired up the generator and the the air conditioning (window AC as the central air was not working). Internet was working through cable as was regular cable TV.

I spent the night calling (cellphones worked) up friends whom I knew were stranded in the city and directed them toward areas I knew the mass transit system was moving.

Just to stay on topic - I DID pull out my rifle, handgun and part of my ammo cache and kept them on me the rest of the night in case someone decided to exercise poor judgement in the dark. No one was out. I turned out the lights and sat on my patio and didn't here anyone stirring in my suburban community.

The following three days, were kinda quiet. I didn't go to work. I had friends who decided to wait it out in the city til power came back up - which it did, though some areas were out for another week or two.

I did most of my "stockpiling" well before the current administration. But I stopped as I realized it had become an obsessive compulsive disorder after I got back from Iraq - might have a little PTSD. I basically bough 8 or 9 boxes of ammo every payday (twice a month) for several years. Now I'm stuck with several tens of thousands of rounds of .22, .556, .44 mag, and .22 mag.

All bought while it was still cheap. the stuff is not too perishable as far as I know, so I guess I'll hold onto it and have it passed on to my grand kids one day.

Yes, it's good to be prepared. But I stopped at one point when I thought I was getting a bit crazed. I think each person has their limit.

Other people collect cats.

Yea the DW keeps collecting strays that the city folk drop off....

I keep calling the local chinese restuarant(sp). Joking!

That's good that you think the city folk will and can get by with out power and such..
That is a good thing!

While I still believe that if it was long term, they would have problems. But that would be the result of limited supplies being available..

Those of us who do grow/raise most of what we need can still do it the
"Old fashion way". Some of us have learned to do things the old way.

For example I'm on a computer and am a CAD Operator aka draftsman. Well I was originaly taught to do it on a drawing board with a T-square and triangles.. So I can still do drawings the old way if we ever lose the use of power and the computer. I am also learning blacksmithing on an old coal forge. This way I can make/fix things if the time comes and I have no power. I have enough hand tools to do my woodworking already, so if I don't have power I can still do it...

Granted it will take more time to do things the old way, but it doesn't require power.

Like I said we are at the end of the run on the power lines and as such we are also the last ones they restore..

I have to say I don't mind it that way..
It's also why there are more 4 wheel drives in our driveway then 2 wheel drive vehicles.. but that is just us...

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Pennsylvania Constitution, Article 1 Section 21 "The Right of the Citizens to bear arms in defense of themselves and the State shall not be questioned"
www.pafoa.org
http://www.45thpacok.com

Ammo, at least the higher buck stuff has been showing up on shelves lately.
Primers are still short supply, but a few have stayed for at least a day or two.

Ordered up some molds and found some lead, so been casting several kinds of bullets, round balls, maxie's, even some 12 ga slugs.
Most all brass is filled back up, so only been shooting what I can reload.
Been reloading a few cal. since 1988, but now have the ability to do most everything I shoot.

Being prepared is just a smart thing to do, learned from my grand parents, parents, and other relatives, so it's just in my nature.

Thats why I have so much ammo! (had to beat Oggie to the punch).

Now the LA Riots in 1992 are another thing. No food deliveries that week and a lot of folks were hungry. But I do not feel for them.

1) There were no reported deaths attributed to starvation - so they apparently got through it OK.

2) Many of those folks in the inner city could stand to lose a few (or a dozen) pounds.

The rioting stopped when the rioters realized that Welfare Check Day was coming and they immediately stopped hostilities to allow government workers to bring in money on check disbursement day. - I'm not making this stuff up folks! Look it up! I even remember seeing it happen on the news!

the government, not wishing to antagonize the rioters further, brought in armed guards and additional welfare dept personnel to ensure the proper distribution of check/cash. The welfare recipients stood in nice orderly lines to get what they were "entitled".

I also saw the same thing happen simultaneously in Newark and Plainfield NJ. Weird how they seemed to be organized so well!?

Also another example of how Korean-Americans exercising their 2nd Amendment rights effectively defended their families and businesses. Of course, the legal aftermath they faced is another thing. Better to go to jail than the morgue I guess. Actually, I think the legal system released them on justification that they were not career criminals and there were extenuating circumstances.

I've been studying old news footage from that event on Youtube.com to see how it all unfolded and get "best practices".

tyusclan & salmonslayer- I am ashamed to say that I do not personally know what caliber interchanges with what. I just use the same calibur gum & ammo. I was only repeating what the sporting section clerk had said. That may be something that I need to learn more about in the very near future. Any particular books or web sites that have good, reliable info?

Oakwoods201, try AK-47.net. This site should answer all of your questions.

I realize that you were repeating what he said, and I didn't mean to sound like I was slamming you. I just wanted you to know that in the vast majority of AK-47s, a .308 will not interchange. As salmonslayer pointed out, there are a few AKs chambered in it and .223, but they are VERY few and far between.

The kind of misinformation that the store clerk gave is the kind that gets people killed or hurt, or at the very least can destroy a gun for no good reason. I didn't want you to follow what he said and get hurt or ruin your gun.

As salmonslayer said, there is tons of info on the internet. Just do a search on "cartridges that interchange" or something similar, and you'll find a ton of stuff. Even there you have to be careful. For instance, many will say that a .223 and 5.56 mm NATO will interchange. In MOST cases you can fire a .223 in a gun chambered for 5.56, but not the other way around. The 5.56 usually is loaded at higher pressures, and guns chambered for .223 can have problems with the higher pressures. That's just one example.

I am quietly prepared for critter and predator control, and there's a whole cornfield behind the house, so that takes care of tp needs. I would like to see a few bricks of CCI .22's instead of the junk stuff they are putting on the shelf right now, so I can plink some more before the snow falls, but anyway..... One way or another there will be a Thanksgiving feast here.

We've been stocking up on ammo for over a year now...mainly from auction purchases and internet sales. Not counting .22LR and shotgun shells, we have over 1000 rounds of the calibers we regularly use (7.62x51, .30-06, .45acp, and .30 carbine).

Actually, I hope the ammo shortage continues at least thru this weekend. I bought 600 rounds of 7.62x51 (military .308) a while back for $0.29/cartridge. I seperated this bulk ammo into three 200 round ammo cans and but it all on stripper clips. The ammo will be auctioned on Saturday. I'm hoping to make a small profit. There are two M1As (M14) also up for auction. I hoping the guys who buy these rifles will pay a premium for my ammo!

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After the election last year i almost stopped buying any ammo. had been buying some to set aside the previous 5-6 years a little at a time. Got enough to last quite a spell unless I just start blasting it away...enough 30-30 to last me deer hunting from now on out at my age..