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09/26/09, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Lyra
People can choose to sell/buy drugs. People can choose to buy/sell/breed animals. The animals have no choice in the matter.
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You're right...and you know what? Nobody is ASKING the animals because they're...uh...animals! What you're doing is called anthropomorphism. I see it as a sickness. Bottom line is animals are either tools or food. If Terri can make a buck selling dogs good for her.
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09/26/09, 10:53 PM
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There are many cultures that have believed that all life is sacred and I am one of those that follows those values. It is sad to see the degrading of life to the point of it being merely mentioned as "selling something".
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Lyra, I see you are fairly new to Homesteading Today, so I don't know if you are aware of this, but lots of members here raise and sell animals. But since you mentioned ALL life, I'm assuming you feel the same way about fruits, vegetables and other plant matter which is undeniably living and very much grown for profit.
I think your values are to be commended and they are ideal FOR YOU. However, it is dangerous to assume that people who don't share the same mindset are somehow lesser than us, that our values make us superior. YOU may see someone degrading life, but I don't see it that way. I come from a different background, possibly a different culture and very likely have totally different life experiences than you. Does this mean you are right and I'm wrong? Or, maybe I'm right and you are the wrong one. Or maybe... just maybe... this is a matter of opinion which means neither of us is right OR wrong, just on different sides of a hot-button issue.
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09/26/09, 11:17 PM
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lets give all animals equal rights. citizenship and yes lawyers,
All you homesteaders who breed cows..I am aghast.
and goats...humph
and chicken breeders ..makes my head hurt.
Along with breeding any of them comes a responsibility to raise healthy animals. keep them healthy by appropriate care, and if they are to be food a quick death
IF they are pets the responsibility is the same escept add on there a good home with a can return clause at any time.
Givethis lady a break,geeze
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09/27/09, 10:45 AM
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http://kijiji.com allows free ads for everything, including dogs and puppies
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09/27/09, 01:04 PM
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Okay, this, breeding pet quality pups thing. Shouldn't a pet have decent conformation? Dogs with poor conformation have pain in their joints. Dogs with heart conditions can't keep up with the other dogs and die early. I don't want a pet dog with owner possession or a health problem that causes him pain or an early death. Why is that so much to ask for? A reputable breeder has his or her breeding stock tested for the problems that breed has. In large dogs, hip x-rays to rate the hips for hip dysplasia. With Dobermans and Cairn terriers, genetic testing for Von Wildebrand's disease. Some problems are obvious, such as elbows that stick out. Elbows that stick out aren't merely unattractive in the show ring, they cause joint problems and joint pain for the dog. Sure, a mutt from the pound or a puppy from a neighbor can be a wonderful pet, but how much better if that animal is healthy.
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10/04/09, 06:14 PM
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Where to sell pups
I use "Next Day Pets", you can advertise for free. Last winter I sold 35 registered puppies for $400.00 ea & 5 unregistered pups for $200.00 ea.
Definatly advertise that they are home raised (in the house) and tell how socialized they are.
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10/04/09, 06:36 PM
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Listen to Bob Barker, spay or neuter your pets.
Plenty of healthy puppies, dogs, kittens and cats killed in shelters because no one wants them.
I think checking the market prior to breeding is good advice. Visit a shelter and see how few people are adopting pets.
While this is far better than the " Oh, I wonder what a German Shepard crossed with a beagle. I'll bet the puppies would be cute." breeding.
Same trouble in the Horse world. Backyard breeders breeding and cross breeding, "just because we like to see a foal around the place".
I may be criticized by my harsh reply, after she isn't asking if she should breed them. We are way past that juncture. But this web site is a way to educate, share knowledge and learn. Too late for those puppies, but perhaps others can learn.
I'd expect she can find homes for them.Hopefully good homes and they won't end up as "cast offs" after the "puppy" wears off. I'd also expect hundreds of healthy dogs and puppies will die tonight because no one had room for another dog. Now that's sad.
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10/04/09, 10:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Maura
Okay, this, breeding pet quality pups thing. Shouldn't a pet have decent conformation? Dogs with poor conformation have pain in their joints. Dogs with heart conditions can't keep up with the other dogs and die early. I don't want a pet dog with owner possession or a health problem that causes him pain or an early death. Why is that so much to ask for? A reputable breeder has his or her breeding stock tested for the problems that breed has. In large dogs, hip x-rays to rate the hips for hip dysplasia. With Dobermans and Cairn terriers, genet Wildebrand's disease. Some problems are obvious, such as elbows that stick out. Elbows that stick out aren't merely unattractive in the show ring, they cause joint problems and joint pain for the dog. Sure, a mutt from the pound or a puppy from a neighbor can be a wonderful pet, but how much better if that animal is healthy.
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I worked in a vet clinic for a few years. Realized that if it weren't for the freak breeds, vets wouldn't make much. Bulldogs and pugs that can't breathe, little dogs with bug eyes and hair rubbing on them to get eye ulcers. Dogs with hairy and/or floppy ears to get ear infections, etc, etc.
Don't know why people can't have a regular dog built normally - my 10 year old lab/heeler cross has never seen a vet except for rabies shot.
I used to be more concerned about pet overpopulation until I was rejected as a potential home for a cat because I said I'd occasionally let it outside. They said it would die from coyotes or owls or...... The guy in front of me was also rejected trying to adopt a dog. Probably easier to adopt a child.
BTW, I went and got a kitten from a farm, and 11 years later, she's somehow still alive, despite being on regular gopher patrol.
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10/05/09, 05:22 AM
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Originally Posted by DJ in WA
I used to be more concerned about pet overpopulation until I was rejected as a potential home for a cat because I said I'd occasionally let it outside. They said it would die from coyotes or owls or...... The guy in front of me was also rejected trying to adopt a dog. Probably easier to adopt a child.
BTW, I went and got a kitten from a farm, and 11 years later, she's somehow still alive, despite being on regular gopher patrol.
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Yeah...there is a no kill animal rescue shelter near me. Last year I called them up to ask if they had a lab pup. Sure enough, they did. I said great! I'll be over in about half an hour to pick it up!
NO!!!!! First, they had to check my finances. They had to come and inspect my home. There was some sort of observation period where they watch me play with the dog to see if it bonds with me.  I told them to go pee up a rope.
Funny...about once a month we get a call or a letter soliciting donations for that shelter because they say they have too many animals and not enough money. They say that nobody wants a rescued dog!!! Again, told them to pee up the rope.
We found our dog on freecycle and she's been a good dog.
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10/05/09, 05:56 AM
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Originally Posted by haypoint
Listen to Bob Barker, spay or neuter your pets.
Plenty of healthy puppies, dogs, kittens and cats killed in shelters because no one wants them.
I think checking the market prior to breeding is good advice. Visit a shelter and see how few people are adopting pets.
While this is far better than the " Oh, I wonder what a German Shepard crossed with a beagle. I'll bet the puppies would be cute." breeding.
Same trouble in the Horse world. Backyard breeders breeding and cross breeding, "just because we like to see a foal around the place".
I may be criticized by my harsh reply, after she isn't asking if she should breed them. We are way past that juncture. But this web site is a way to educate, share knowledge and learn. Too late for those puppies, but perhaps others can learn.
I'd expect she can find homes for them.Hopefully good homes and they won't end up as "cast offs" after the "puppy" wears off. I'd also expect hundreds of healthy dogs and puppies will die tonight because no one had room for another dog. Now that's sad.
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That isn't harsh at all. I used to live in a college town and it was so sad to see the county shelter load up with pets when kids had to go home for the summer.
With the economy the way it is more people than ever are abandoning their pets. People are either starving their horses or letting them go. We need tougher legislation to cut down on puppy mills, limit the amount of breeders, and prevent animal abuse.
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10/05/09, 04:29 PM
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This sure is a devisive issue.
I've helped out at our local shelter. I've seen people come in to get a dog that was so obviously wrong for them. Border Collie for someolne in an appartment. Pit Bull puppy for a family with toddlers. Some may think it better to push off every dog to anyone that seems interested. Eventually the shelter gets the dog back, more screwed up than ever.
So the shelter does need your donations and they are going to try to insure a safe placement for the dog. If you want to BBQ a dog on your backyard grill, check out freecycle, I guess those folks won't give you any hassle.
"Last winter I sold 35 registered puppies for $400.00 ea & 5 unregistered pups for $200.00 ea."
Strange how some folks will see this and clench their teeth in anger, while others will see it as a way to increase their on-farm income.
Different strokes for different folks. I guess you know what I think.
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