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Old 08/21/09, 03:51 PM
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Here is the county website that deals with septics ==> http://www.starkhealth.org/sewage.htm

I scanned the septic regs and did not see any mention about an evapotranspiration (ET) system...unless, they are referring to a drip systems as an ET system? A drip system is almost identical to a drip irrigation system. A trencher plows in flex tubing that has an emitter about every 1' along its length. There are no trenches or distribution media (eg rock) involved. A narrow furrow is sliced into the sod and the tubing is slid into narrow slit. This is a standard system in Stark County...perhaps this is what they have designed?

And it is very common for a State or county to require a second suitable area of equal size as a backup as part of the septic system permit.

I was on that site a lilttle while ago. I thought I was confused before. I'll get this figured out eventually. I also wanted to find the zoning map to see what I'm allowed to do. Of course I couldn't find that either. It's in Washington Township of Stark County. I found everything but a map. I need it to be zoned R-A Residential/Agricultural. I guess I'll have to get on the horn Monday and see if I can get some details. So the reserve area is just space left not actually developed with a system? I could live with that. I asked the seller how I could figure out where the well, house and septic translated from the paper to the lot. He said that I could use the paper and the survey map to figure it out. What a goofus. I've been a drafter for many years and know that there has to be at least one point shown on both that will tie them together. I guess he just sells the land and doesn't know a whole lot. He hasn't been able to answer much of what I've asked. Fortunately I read the zoning regulations and know what I can and can't do depending on what it's zoned. Oh I forgot, I also saw something from Stark County that says it costs a between $7000-$15,000 to put a system in. If that's true I'm not going to buy the lot. I hope I read something wrong.

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Old 08/22/09, 11:48 PM
 
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Seems like I am "tattling" on people about situations I don't know but have only "heard" about.

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Old 08/23/09, 07:53 AM
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Cabin Fever, I figured you were an expert but I have no idea who the fella in the pic is.

Where I live no one gets permits to build anything and most homes I know of have the septic tank effluent draining by gravity to the surface at a point lower than the tank itself.

I have been reading these threads because that makes me nervous. Some of the neighboring counties are where I have heard about having finger systems installed for inspections and then bypassing afterwards. We live on clay around here and I had never heard of doing anything other than installing the FS which won't drain properly.

Worst case I know of is the fella that finally got "city water" to his place. He put in the first bathroom ever (in the late 80s) and used the unlined well as his septic tank.

Reasoning says this is the same as outhouses were but it still bothers me.

I am learning a lot from readin these "septic" threads but still don't see why you would pump one out if it works fine.
I don't know about other situations, but in the house I lived in we had the tank pumped every three years. A previous person living there didn't and they ended up with it backing up into the basement. I didn't think that would be a good idea, so we had it pumped.

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Old 08/23/09, 08:10 AM
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Ideally nothing should go into a septic tank which hasn't passed through the human body first. Realistic? Some brands of toilet paper and facial tisses are better at being digested within the tank than others. Eat a lot of fruits or vegetables which have seeds? Those pass through the human body essentially without being processed. A garbage disposal can be one of a septic tanks worse enemies as folks have a tendency to use it to get rid of things like egg shells, coffee grounds, fruit rines and vegetable trimmings. Cigarette butt filters, condons and santitary products simply aren't going to be digested within the tank.

Even with the best care the sludge in the bottom of a tank will build up. With some folks it is just faster than other. If it builds up to where it essentially stops the bacterial digestive process incoming essentially flows into outgoing (the drain field). That will likely clog up the drain field, resulting in a considerable expense to fix.

All a septic tank needs to function properly is good old human poop. Products like
RidEx actually work to the deterent of a septic system. Rather than matter settling to the bottom, they keep it in suspension, ready to be flushed out into the drain field. And I understand it is illegal in some states for retailers to sell RidEx.

Periodic pumping out is a preventive measure. Some tanks merely need it more often than others. Also, in some states you are required to have it pumped out on a regular basis.
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Old 08/23/09, 09:12 AM
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...So the reserve area is just space left not actually developed with a system?...Nomad
That is correct.

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..Oh I forgot, I also saw something from Stark County that says it costs a between $7000-$15,000 to put a system in. If that's true I'm not going to buy the lot. I hope I read something wrong.

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Be prepared! I have no doubt the cost of your system will fall within that range. Our system is simply a gravity (ie, no pumps/electricity) system composed of a single septic tank and only four 40' tenches. It cost $4K.
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Old 08/23/09, 09:26 AM
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Cabin Fever, I figured you were an expert but I have no idea who the fella in the pic is.....
I take it that you never watch the Red Green show on PBS.

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...Where I live no one gets permits to build anything and most homes I know of have the septic tank effluent draining by gravity to the surface at a point lower than the tank itself.....
In most states, septic tank effluent being discharged onto the land is considered an "eminent health threat" unless the wastewater is treated using an aerobic treatment unit (ATU) and is then disinfected (chlorine or UV light).

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We live on clay around here and I had never heard of doing anything other than installing the FS which won't drain properly....
Digging trenches in clay for a "finger system" is risky business. Most of the time the process of digging smears the clay on the trench walls and compacts the soil. The result is soil with very little, if any, ability to infiltrate and transmit water. In Minnesota and most other states, "mound systems" are required for clay soils. A mound system does not use trenches and generally no digging into the native soil is required, thus the permeability of the soil remains in tack.
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Old 08/23/09, 09:35 AM
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That is correct.


Be prepared! I have no doubt the cost of your system will fall within that range. Our system is simply a gravity (ie, no pumps/electricity) system composed of a single septic tank and only four 40' tenches. It cost $4K.

I had no idea it would be so costly. I thought it would only be $4-5000. I was checking the fees for all the things here and a septic permit is $695. That seems ridiculous. A perc test is $150. Seems like I've heard people talk about those only being $50. I think I'm going to cancel the deal and just give up. The wife made a good point yesterday. She said at our age and future financial earnings, we will never be able to develop the lot as we want before we die. So what's the point? I think I'll just save my money. Maybe I'll realize my dreams in my next life.

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Cabin Fever, we don't get any PBS stations and I refuse to pay for them.
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Cabin Fever, we don't get any PBS stations and I refuse to pay for them.
We don't pay for any TV either. PBS is the only network that comes in clear for us.
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