Which Governmental Agency when toilet waste is dumped in creek

Good greif rosewood, what's eating you today.....

get some facts so you don't feel stupid.....

First this is a subdivision (granted they are large lots in 3-14 acres.... 121 acres worth in 17 tracts, I've developed this farm, brought in utilites, roads, and all necessaries.... and this a 1/4 mile into a rural county 35 minutes from nashville.... these are premium lots....Brickmailboxes, street lights, new 4 board horse fence.... we have only done two houses becasuse of the economy, but these are still nice houses wtih a 2500 square foot minimum and two car garage restrictions....

The neighboring farm is one of the few large tracts remaining, the owner is in a nursing home, and the squatters are of some distant relation....This farm is not in operation no animals other than a few fighting chickens....

and no he didn't clear any of this with the county...... they hid them behind some trees.... I have now dozered them down and they are now in clear view.

as to putting in a tank for them.... like heck, I don't have time..... and they are on a solid slab of rock.... that farm just won't perk.

and rosewood the local neighbors are a hospital administrator and lawyer types...the pro-farmers disappeared 20 years ago...

vent your frustrations elsewhere... I farm 210 of family land, I do this as my day job, so we can keep our farm running.

well said, There are very few trailers in the area.

The EPA will ask why you waited 2 years to call

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excuse me, do explain......

I think some of the posters here may not be real keen on real estate developers who cut up farms, build tract homes and otherwise try to make an honest few bucks without working their fingers to the bone. I myself have learned to tread pretty softly in those areas here as I used to be a "lowerthanthescumthatsinkstothebottomofthepond " real estate agent. I still keep my license up just in case someone seeks me out to help out, but due to health issues I am no longer active in the game. I would still caution you to tread lightly with those neighbors of yours. Takin a guess, I would be willin to bet they are not only some distant kin to the landowner involved, but to numerous other "interesting" folks in the area as well. I have been living with the rural local folks a few miles to yer north for a long time. Do as you wish, but stirrin up unnecessary problems isnt my recommendation. Perhaps and above ground system would aid their situation, and yours as well. After all, whats a couple grand here and there in a development that will stand to make you a hundred times that?

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Geez! Some people need to mellow out a bit.

I would take Cabins advice and let the authorities handle it if you think that they won't be receptive to the idea of putting in a functioning system. It's always the best if you can work with neighbors but sometimes you just can't. Then government needs to step in and force it.

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the issue isn't farming, spec houses, or developments. the issue is someone dumping raw sewage into an open body of water.

sounds like you have some underlying issues associated with your rant.

I'm not opposed to helping or talking to the neighbors.... The reality is that his farm will be sold when the old man dies and the current residents are just riding it out..... they will not pay to intall anything.......

this may sound bad, but I've waited this long because I just thought how much longer could he live???? well the old bird is just tough, I doubt he even knows what is going on, his son is in chicago I believe.

Nope the issue is he has a problem accepting things as they where and wants things to change so he can make money.
Its pretty common for rural residents to take offence at developers (thats what RedHogs is in this situation) comming into a nice area and wanting to ruin it so they can make a few fast bucks.
Redhogs knows that thats why he waited till things were done o make even more waves.
RedHogs what I want to know is if you think they would steal your stuff what makes you think they wont burn your houses?


Strange none of the other people in the nice house in the area want to make waves.

Mighty nice 'country living' if ya ask me!

Sounds like you're a developer who farms on the side. Which makes you more $$ ?

Not trying to be rude, it's just that I've seen your type ruin a farming economy and drive up land taxes and in some cases shut down family farms because of your 'high standards' which you hold for everyone else. A farmer cannot afford to compete against a developer for land prices. The "8 acres with board fence and 2500sqft house with garage" that you are promoting has drastically reduced the available farmland in many places. You have taken 121 acres of farming potential and reduced it to 17 house lots. Those 121 acres will never be farmed again but will consume vast amounts of wasted energy to maintain them in 'pristine' yards and wasted space. A subdivision house does not need a 7-12 acre lot! Unless of course you want to make big $$ with it. A house needs an acre or 2, then farm the rest!

Being a first generation farmer (who DOES make a living from the farm ) I have had to watch good land repeatedly trashed/changed/wasted due to subdivision building. I've had to pay higher land prices to compete with developers. I'm afraid there will be very few of my generation (I'm 26) who choose farming as a living because it is far too easy to make bigger $$ converting that farmland to developments! Where will your food come from in 20 years when so many farms are shut down and all the next generation is off the farm? Imported from China?

Please do not take personal offence. This is not against you per-se, just your type! Perhaps the diplomatic thing to do would have been to approach the owner of the farm next door BEFORE you chose to build 2500sqft houses with garages next door to him. I'm sure he thinks as highly of you as you do of him.

if you own property and want to develop it that is your choice and i believe your right. i do have a problem with city folks that move out to the country and start complaining of the smells--but i also have a problem with farmers who arent good stewards of the land and water they use. dumping human waste into the waterways (any waterway) is against the law but it is also morrally wrong.

i agree with many of your points, and i'm not one to usually side with developers, but anyone dumping raw sewage into open water needs to be stopped. every other detail in the OP's story is superfluous and unimportant.

doing something unsanitary and illegal is just that, regardless of whether it occurs on a farm near a development, or on a farm in the middle of the wilderness.

Are you sure the farmer or his immediate family even knows about the squatters? In your shoes, I think my first action would be to contact the immediate family to let them know how their property is "being taken care of". After all, won't they be the ones faced with any fines that are levied? Just a thought

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I get where you're at. At first you hope it will get solved or go away and by the time you realize they aren't going to solve the problem, you've realized they aren't exactly the deep end of the gene pool? Been there..

The raw sewage and grey water in the creek is a problem for way more than you. Depending on where that goes there may be people, kids probably, splashing around in it downstream.

The EPA or Water Department are your best bets and if your WD doesn't have an enforcement arm, just go straight to the EPA.

And for all those who are on the "developer" hate wagon; this is less development than re-arrangement. There was a whole lot of land that was cleared and farmed and then wore out because it didn't have the long term fertility for open land farming. It's everywhere and the per-acre resources required for it makes it not worth it for all but huge agribusiness who will level it to the flat of a razor and all that.

Making mini homesteads, with land up to 15 acres, is not a bad way to restore that land and make it usable again. A whole lot of us on this board live in small holdings that are similar. And what is the difference between a bunch of us buying our individual bits and then paying for all the power and water and the like and building a house and someone with a little bit of sense making it less costly by doing it for several steads at once?

Just because whoever buys it isn't going to spend five years in a tent building their house our of wood they find on the street doesn't make them any less serious than anyone else. Just choosing a different way to get their stead going.

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I am listening to what you are saying, but I think you are rather selfish in pursuit of your dreams and disregarding others.....

90% of the millionaires in the united states are 1st generation rich... in other words they are boot-strap rich.... they did it on their own, an in return are rewarded with the finer things. What you call waste, they call relaxation....they earned it. The people want just enough land to have a couple horses and a nice barn. this segment of the market is very stable, and right now, in this economy they even will still sell....

I enjoy working with these people and you make life long friends and business contacts....

You have chosen to embark on a career path that is hard and rarely profitable... farmers just survive and usually don't get rich... you knew this when you started.... it's too late to complain now....

Your rants, are kind of silly...... given this simple fact....

are you ready!!!!

unless a farmer puts up a for sale sign, developers cant build subdivisions.
When a farmer decides to grow houses, we show up and help him plant the seed. Farmers call us, the want to retire or just quit.

fantasy man,

I will agree with most of what you say about me.

yes...... i do not like the way things were and are still being done.... it's disgusting.

yes...... change will make me more money, and that's why I going to do it

yes...... several people have remarked that they wish I wouldn't develop the area and increase traffic on the road, I offered to sell them the farm... and then they couldn't find their wallet

yes.......I've waited so as to not make waves, but even worse, I'm going to time it such that as I leave, the complaint letter is received....I'm going to be gone, long gone

And the police where involved because they may burn me out, they might.... but with prior police involvement, the accusation of insurance fraud will be lifted, and I'll just rebuild. I'm not looking for a fight, but i'm going to get what's mine.

I think it's interesting that I post a question about dumping human waste in a creek, and you consider manicured lawns, and fancy horse barns as offensive.... or ruining the land.

the politics of jealousy is the civil rights struggle for the 21st century.... we are rapidly moving towards a country where an alarming number of people can justify taking what they didn't earn from the evil rich....in the name of equality..... classism is just another form of hate

One does have to admire courage.

You are completely justified in taking what is yours. In my state we figure those folks on the other side of the boundary line own theirs though.

hate is commonly practiced on two way streets.

Good luck

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I don't get that one..if they are dumping human waste in a stream that goes to other, unknown locations, then they are potentially poisoning others. The clean water act is one of the few environmental acts that actually makes sense. Don't poop upstream of others. Pretty simple. Others' water isn't in their boundary. No? To me, your argument is like saying an abottoir can let all their offal flow into another person's property because they are doing the actual business on their property.

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I would still be talking to the Soil and Water Conservation office.