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To best honest I think the answer here is not to put yourself in a situation where you're wandering around with a flashlight in the dark taking shots at people, justifiably or not. Chances our it doesn't end well for you whatever happens. As it is missing him was probably the best possible outcome.
First thing to do is to look over the layout of your property, and where you're putting things with any value. Then I'd look to maybe put some security floodlights in, motion-sensor or on a switch in your house. Try to think about what else you can do that doesn't involve so much risk to your future either one way or another.
If you need to challenge someone with your gun you should maybe put yourself at more of an advantage and give yourself some more time to decide if you face a deadly threat.
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Or just hide under the bed and hope he is not going to kill you. That is the best thing to do let them have everything as long as they don't kill you. But how do you know they are not going to kill you. Let them take the first shot then hunt up a gun and kill them. that is an option as long as they are slow and don't mind you hunting a gun. I wasn't out their to find him I was setting out waiting on a Deputy that was supposed come by and I saw him.
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I'll put it in perspective for you. Your mailman walks into your gated yard every day. Sometimes, your stupid, fluffy dog is outside. When you're around, the dog keeps his distance from your mailman. You will undoubtedly tell the mailman that  your dog wouldn't bite the fleas on his back. When you're not around, the dog rushes the gate to bark and growl. Your mailman tells you to keep the stupid dog up until the mail has been safely deposited in the approved receptacle. You say you've had the dog for eight years and the dog has never bitten anyone and you will not keep the dog up because he will not bite. Your mailman stops delivering your mail. Wanna know why? He perceived a threat. He acted accordingly. You can't argue with him, you just have to keep your dog up before the power company disconnects you. |
The part in bold italics is the moral of the story. The rest was dramatic monologue for the other folks.
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07/13/09, 08:24 PM
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So you equate throwing some light on your property so you see what you're taking a shot at, and whether there's more than one person out there to hiding under the bed? Not sure how you reached that conclusion.
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07/13/09, 08:25 PM
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Heh...hooboy. Lord, grant me the wisdom.............Amen.
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1.the quality of being patient, as the bearing of provocation, annoyance, misfortune, or pain, without complaint, loss of temper, irritation, or the like.
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07/13/09, 08:28 PM
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... I was setting out waiting on a Deputy that was supposed come by and I saw him.
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who saw who first ?
how long did you watch him before you fired ?
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07/13/09, 08:30 PM
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And if he had posed a risk to you wouldn't he have already taken a shot at you sitting out?
I'm not even second-guessing what you did - all I'm saying is it may be wise to sit down and think what you can learn from the situation so you can avoid shooting at shapes in the night again.
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07/13/09, 08:33 PM
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I agree. Let everyone rob you and take advantage of you. Then apply for a government bailout. If you aren't a victim in America, you are the problem.
Back to reality ... Does anyone know that law in Arkansas? I'd be interested in knowing.
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Yes I know the law in Arkansas and it says you can't shoot if they are running away or stop the threating maneuver. You are correct that I felt threatened by the maneuver he was displaying. Now I could talk to him in a civilized manner and get him to quit or I can shoot at him and hope he had a gun. I chose the last one. Since I missed and no one has complained to the sheriff everything worked out for the best. I went over the law with the Sheriff and a State Trooper and they said I was right.
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And patience too
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Sorry, Reverend...guess that lesson didn't take. 
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07/13/09, 08:38 PM
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who saw who first ?
how long did you watch him before you fired ?
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Long enough to get up from my pickup tail gate and walk around to the back wheel and shine a flashlight on him and say hello.
It was dark where I was at and he didn't see me before I said hello. I could have let him do anything but saying hello seemed to be what I decided.
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07/13/09, 08:41 PM
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And if he had posed a risk to you wouldn't he have already taken a shot at you sitting out?
I'm not even second-guessing what you did - all I'm saying is it may be wise to sit down and think what you can learn from the situation so you can avoid shooting at shapes in the night again.
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I like your idea I can come and take anything from your place and you will do nothing. That seems like the thing to do where do you live?
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07/13/09, 08:42 PM
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Old Vet, regardless of what anyone thinks you should have done, we know two things that are definitely true.
1. There are some people who are willing to come onto your private property and steal from you, and
2. There aren't as many as there used to be.
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07/13/09, 08:50 PM
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Long enough to get up from my pickup tail gate and walk around to the back wheel and shine a flashlight on him and say hello.
It was dark where I was at and he didn't see me before I said hello. I could have let him do anything but saying hello seemed to be what I decided.
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So, you were just sitting on the tailgate of your truck in the dark? I do that myself sometimes.
I can see having a flashlight with you but do you always have a gun handy....just in case? 
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07/13/09, 08:58 PM
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So, you were just sitting on the tailgate of your truck in the dark? I do that myself sometimes.
I can see having a flashlight with you but do you always have a gun handy....just in case?
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Yes I have a Concealed Carry Permit and I always have it with me unless it is illegal to go into a place and then It is in the car.
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Well, I'm glad I don't live in a place where I couldn't even sit outside on my own property on a nice summer evening without being armed!
Do you have intruders often?
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07/13/09, 09:08 PM
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Well, I'm glad I don't live in a place where I couldn't even sit outside on my own property on a nice summer evening without being armed!
Do you have intruders often?
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That is the first intruder that I have had in 9 years. I always carry a pistil because of the wild animals that are around. I have run into a bear a bobcat a cougar many coyotes and several snakes.
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07/13/09, 09:23 PM
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Sorry, you can be funny all you want, your story has no relevance to the original post.
There was no warning. There was no dialogue. There was no NOTHING. Yet he shoots to kill someone. Your story was full of dialogue, justifiable threat, warnings. there was NONE of that here.
Your mail man story has nothing to do with this, however cute you think it is.
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Old Vet stop. Please. You are enduring more of an intense interrogation from your fellow homesteaders than you had to with your local law enforcement.
You owe nobody here an explanation, nor should you be continually asked for one. Your friends don't need an explanation, and your enemies won't believe one (or two or ten.)
I feel compelled to say I am disappointed and uncomfortable with what I am witnessing here ... I suppose I was naive to think we were like family here ... you know, kindred souls gathered in one safe-havened place to share our unconventional lifestyles with one another without being attacked, made fun of, and/or ruthlessly questioned by our choices and experiences.
 I am sad.
Hold your head up high, Old Vet, and walk away from this one with your confidence intact.
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Well, I'm glad I don't live in a place where I couldn't even sit outside on my own property on a nice summer evening without being armed!
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07/13/09, 09:35 PM
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Yet he shoots to kill someone.
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He fired his weapon to stop a percieved threat, and it worked.
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If Old Vet was shooting to kill someone, he would have shot and killed someone.
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