Firefighter kills 2 pet dogs to go on cruise.

I think the "vacation" part is moot if he did all that to his "pets". The "vacation" part was an excuse to do something horrible. There would have been another excuse at some point.

Guys like this doing actions like this are what give organizations like PETA the power they have. This kind of garbage is what is used to argue for laws that restrict RESPONSIBLE animal owners; because they *MIGHT* do something, some feel there must be a law keeping them from doing it. What they don't see is that these extreme situations, you're not dealing with someone who would let a mere law stop them.

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I apologize for upsetting you, but it upsets me to hear people attaching human emotions and rights to animals.

Please don't get me wrong. I like dogs. I have a dog. He's a great dog, and I like him a lot. But he is a DOG. He is not part of my family. He is NOT one of my children. He is my children's pet. And if he ever developed a destructive habit that I could not break him from such as killing chickens, or unwarranted aggression toward people, I would shoot him without hesitation.

I would not torture or abuse him, but I WOULD humanely shoot him.

If the guy strung the dogs up, tortured them, and repeatedly shot them, then that is definitely abuse and he should be charged for that and fired from his job. But I do not like laws that say you can't shoot your own dog humanely if you need to. That is a just one more dangerous encroachment into our lives that we can live without.

Again, I did not mean to offend or upset anyone. Forgive me if I did.

There's a reason for that!

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Some on here say that dogs aren't people...They are right...Dogs are more honest and certainly more loyal...I don't know if that makes them better than people, but it certainly makes them better friends than people.

Part of the the irrationality of any discussion about animals and the way people treat them is the idea that somehow people are superior to animals in all respects or the contrary that animals are superior morally to people.
Truth is that humans are a subset of animals and have many of the same issues.
Animals vary at to their "loyalty", "honesty", "cruelty", etc. I had a dog that devoted herself to the person who sat in the big chair- she determined that was the leader of the pack and the person she would serve-even if she only met them 5 minutes ago. I have seen a horse who hid his head behind a tree to "hide" from the person who came to take him for a ride even though the rest of him was clearly visible- he sincerely wanted to avoid working. Anyone who has a number of horses for long knows of one who give honestly everything they have to work for you while some others avoid all work as much as they can. I had the honor of having a dog who was loyal and brave and patient and kind. I did own one dog who I had from a pup and know was never abused who had to be watched every minute lest she snapped at someone. I have had kind goats and ones who were so aggressive and mean that you couldn't turn you back on them ever. A lot of animals will "torture" the lesser of their companions unmercifully even to killing them. I had a horse with a sense of humor- he liked playing jokes on people and cats to see them get all excited the stand back to watch them. All according to their own needs and desires. All thing I recognise in people.
This man who killed his dogs would very likely do this to a person if he thought he could get away with it. He's probably working his way up to this. His problem is not with animals but within himself. It has nothing to do with rights or duties.
Humans are generally cleverer than most domestic animals, which after all were selected to get along with human agendas. But not that much more clever. Who is it that spends hours taking care of whom anyway. It helps to determine how to treat animals to remember that more things are held in common with them than are different. Makes it harder in someways but gives good guidance too.

I sure would like to know that reason willow_girl, because the attitude that people who care about animals can't care about people drives me NUTS!

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The guy in the OP was a nut case.
I do not beleave in abuseing animals.
Haveing said that I must say I agree with tyusclan.
Thay were his animals and he should have the right to do with them as he pleases.
I know how we love our dogs... I would protect mine with deadly force if I was pushed to it. But he is my "dog" not a human. Although I have grown to like this dog a lot...
I see no more value to a dog life than flushing a gold fish down the tolet.

If you think the government should have the right to rule over the animals YOU keep then one day you just may go to jail for flushing that gold fish.... or eating that chicken..... or ponising that rat .....or putting out that roach motel.

I think what he did was sick and don't beleave people should act this way / I also beleave its none of the Governments bussness.

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In Ohio you do not have any right to put down your own dog unless it is attacking a person or livestock. I posted a while back about the guy who shot his pitt bull with a bow and arrow after he claimed it got aggressive with him. The county went after him with everything they had. Unfortunately I don't have an update to that story.

What makes this so much worse (besides the pitt bull being shot just twice with the first shot being fatal) is that this man is a firefighter! We expect firefighters to have compasion for the disabled and elderly and even to rescue pets if possible. These dogs were a hindrance to him so he shot them each several times. What will he to to some bedridden person in a burning house? I sure wouldn't want him coming to my home if I needed help.

IMO, he should be fired. If they have no compassion they cannot be good public servants. I am ashamed to admit that I paid part of his salary and am now stuck paying part of his legal defence. And I am really po'd that he is allowed to serve his puny sentence in bits and pieces at his convenience.

Very disturbing and disgusting. If someone did something like that, why would even tell someone!?

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The legal wheels are turning! He got fired!

1. Shooting the dogs that are his property is his right.
2. I have employees working for me and if one of them did this I would Fire them. If they were a customer I would refuse their business.
But I do not want laws like in Ohio to be authoritianian over me. The humanity in people comes from how people in their circle deal with them. I would rather feel sowerful to them and part company than to be as vicious as some are. In any neighborohood if the crimenal element was not accepted by anyone their pack instinct would cause them to either change or move to where they are accepted.

I know a women who had an abortion because they rented the shore house for the summer and she wanted to wear a bikini. To my knowledge she is still free.

He needs to be monitored very carefully. He has some major mental problems brewing. It's only a matter of time before he loses his temper with a woman or child. If he has that kind of cruelty in him, it will surface again. Gald he's not my neighbor...or relative. Mary.

Glad the guy was fired! Be pretty hard for him to pass a physic eval with that on his record.

Interestingly pyromania and animal abuse are two of the most frequent commonalities in the histories of serial killers. Many firefighters are closet pyro's - but they have funneled the desire to play with fire into something positive - unfortunately not all of them have.

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"The Constitution says to promote the general welfare, not to provide welfare!" ~ Lt. Col Allen West

There's a big difference between HUMANELY euthanizing an animal for whatever reason-- even one so stupid as to be able to go on a cruise-- and torturing said animal. Animal cruelty is illegal even if you OWN the animal; no one has the right to do that. This issue isn't over the guy killing his dogs, it's over the method.

With that being said, a person capable of torturing an animal in such a way has deep-seated psychological issues which, as far as I'm concerned (and the judicial system as well), makes this person a danger to society. He absolutely should have been fired.

(And FWIW, animal cruelty and firesetting are two common behaviors of a sociopath. Am I not the only one who's alarmed that this guy's chosen profession is firefighter??)

Funny Wags, you and were thinking the same thing at the same time...

They were saying on the news last night the guy was bragging that he would be able to get disablility compensation because he was messed up in the head. Channel 10 doesn't have the story, for some reason they've blocked it.

Here's what 6 had:
http://www.wsyx6.com/shared/newsroom..._vid_158.shtml