Tell me WHY I should own land?

texican · #21 06/28/09, 09:14 PM

Sounds like the philosophy of a hobo. Or the mindset of the entitlement class. Why work? when someone else will feed you? Why build a home, ..... you get the point.

As far as the definition will go, mortal men (and women) can 'own' land as long as their alive. Dead people have no more use for their possessions. Every atom on this planet has been recycled countless times, born in the death of a supernova'ed star.

Free men own land... peasants do not. I'd rather be a free man, personally.

As long as civilization exists, my title is good. If civilization falls, I'll only hold onto that part which I can forcefully hold.

Whats the point of owning anything (literally)... because someone can come along and steal it?

wyld thang · #22 06/28/09, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by VERN in IL

Exactly, I have always been under the impression that owning land is Illegal, outside of the Castle Doctrine, you have no right to restrict who or what comes upon your land if as long as no destruction is being done.

I am also convinced that the majority of our land, is STOLEN, that it really belongs to the Natives and the enviroment that we robbed it from.

I believe strongly that your home is your castle, but outside of this I view the land as for the "common good". Let me expound upon this, lets say you own 1,000 acres, and on that thousand acres there are three houses, you just let them set, don't maintain them or burn them down, abandoned good places for meth labs, then it would be acceptable for members of the public to fix that house because you failed to demonstrate your willingness to maintain the land that the Government has allowed you to own.

Eminent Domain, now Lets say I buy a few acres, I would have to put considerable investment into raw land, and then be constantly threatened to loose that land to somthing that would bring in more revenue for the tax man.

Really can anyone here answer this question, why should we own land if:
1. It's stolen from it's rightful owners
2. Can be taken away and given to a company that increases $$$ revenue.
3. Some landowners are irresponsible, harm the enviroment and let the land
deteriorate, yet they go unpunished while others loose their investments
via demolitions to private corporations.

It would seem to me that If I were to purchase a piece of land, it is the equivilant as investing in a Oil company that does not exist.

I'm sure Charles Manson has something pithy to say about all that.

BTO · #23 06/28/09, 09:46 PM

I own land so I can raise critters and BBQ 'em. I know it's my land because my forefathers stole it fair and square.......You know what I mean, Vern!

deaconjim · #24 06/28/09, 10:01 PM

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Originally Posted by BTO

.......You know what I mean, Vern!

Oh why didn't I think of that?

Beef11 · #25 06/28/09, 10:34 PM

WOW! I'm glad I don't have to live with that kind of mental conflict. You hit on some great points about the government and the tax man. Missed the boat on private ownership. The confusing part is you are against someone coming and taking it away form you but all right about taking it away form someone who doesn't take care of it. Kind of a "Give me Liberty and Communism" type philosophy. I agree people should take care of what they have but it won't always happen but its still better than others coming and deciding they know best and taking it.

Now to Indians, they stole it from a previous culture and I claim to be part of that culture (whatever it was) so all of the land is rightfully mine.

Contact me pm for info on signing your land over to me.

thanks in advance

snoozy · #26 06/28/09, 10:35 PM

Own land if you think you can husband it better than someone else. (Not everyone else, but better than some others). If you cannot, do not own land. It is just your small part of the earth to take care of, that is all.

EX-BRAVE · #27 06/28/09, 10:40 PM

Me and my brother "own" 2,200 acres that we inherited from my Granddaddy and daddy,we also work our -----es off every year trying to make enough to live and pay "property" taxes. Our yearly taxes are a lot more per acre than what was paid for the land when puchased, I know its worth more also and I take that into consideration also. If we improve the property the taxes go even higher. It gripes me to have to ask some "authority" for approvel to put up a barn, dig a drainage ditch, run power lines etc. I sometimes wonder if we really own the land or are we just paying the government for the privalage to say its ours. That being said, I admit I have a soft spot in my heart for the so-called "PLO" terroist who were moved out of their houses and off their land that had been in their families for years without any say-so so that the Jewish people could move in. Thats not right anymore than the way the American natives were treated here. If I was forced to move you bet I'd become a terroist also and the people who move in would have a hard time sleeping under my roof. The media calls them terroist because those who control the media are the ones who moved in. Stop and think about it.

bertneru · #28 06/28/09, 11:16 PM

Well, why would the indians have claim to this land?....after all, they were not here and they came from somewhere else also! Who was here before them?!...and besides, as stated before, indians did not believe in owning land. What came first....the chicken or the egg!...that's the asumtion you are making. All land at one time was emty and devoid of humans....and all laws are made by humans. By your asumtion, there should be no countries and no borders....all these where created by humans....and no government either....also a human creation. Why should there be someone to tell me what to do?....and then we have anarchy!
But this is a very interesting post....and should I add, I see you are a vegetarian!....so it does not surprise me your way of thinking!....and I don't mean that in a disrespectful way....it's just a path you chose to take.

glazed · #29 06/28/09, 11:21 PM

Tell you why you should own land?

Well ... someone is going to "own" it ... might as well be YOU.

Old Vet · #30 06/29/09, 01:46 AM

You don't really own the land. It own you. If you don't think I am right just let it sit for a couple of years and do nothing to it and you will agree with me.

Murray in ME · #31 06/29/09, 02:02 AM

I have a question for you Vern. Where do you live? Using your arguments, unless you are of 100% native American heritage, the only ethical place for you to live would be on a boat or rent from a native American. Anything else would include living on land stolen from native Americans. If owning land is illegal or morally/ethically wrong then renting land or a home would also be illegal or unethical. Renting would be supporting the illegal/immoral activities of others which would be equally unethical.

deaconjim · #32 06/29/09, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Murray in ME

I have a question for you Vern. Where do you live? Using your arguments, unless you are of 100% native American heritage, the only ethical place for you to live would be on a boat or rent from a native American.

Can you really own a boat?

AJ Williams · #33 06/29/09, 05:30 AM

Isn't that the premise for wanting to have a homestead? You need land for growing your needs. Just what are you doing here if you believe this. Like DeaconJim I guess I am entitled because I am part Native American.

Cliff · #34 06/29/09, 06:46 AM

What exactly is your point, except for trolling?
And why would you be on a homesteading board if you really feel this way?
Something just not clicking here.

seagullplayer · #35 06/29/09, 07:09 AM

Get a boat...

AJ Williams · #36 06/29/09, 07:17 AM

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Originally Posted by seagullplayer

Get a boat...

Boats gotta have docks gotta have land gotta be owned....To the moon Alice!

HermitJohn · #37 06/29/09, 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Harry Chickpea

The land taken away is PAID for in eminent domain.

But whether its truly a fair price is questionable. The cities that take a homeowners land/house only want to pay the going residential housing rate, not the value their developer friends would have to pay if they negotiated directly with the owner. In other words developers use their bought and paid for politicians for a deep discount.

We dont need bunch of weak state laws concerning this issue, we need a federal constitutional amendment specifically preventing this perversion of eminent domain. It apparently needs to be specifically spelled out that land can be taken ONLY for direct public use and infrastructure, not handed over to developers because it would increase tax revenues to the government. Developers are private interest and should have to bargain with existing owner/owners for any property.

nancy237 · #38 06/29/09, 07:51 AM

None of this will matter when Obummer gets done.

DQ · #39 06/29/09, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by deaconjim

Can you really own a boat?

of course not silly! that boat was made from materials stolen from indian lands! it is stolen property! maybe if we could construct a boat from clouds......er well that water vapor might have come from the tropical rainforests that are the property of native tribes and was stolen by the atmosphere......I guess suicide is the only moral answer

how about a magic carpet? since we are living in fantasy land...why not!? or we could live on ice flows......I think if you get them from areas that have been unpopulated for eternity.

NorthernWoods · #40 06/29/09, 08:23 AM

I believe in survival of the fittest. If you can't protect you own land then you obviously don't deserve to have it. There is only so much land and a growing number of people.