Why you SSS trespassing dogs

**Cabin Fever** · #21 06/11/09, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Vet

If an owner refuses to keep his dogs up after they molest stock after he is toled to by a neighbor then SSS. But don't do anything until you tell the owner about it. He may not know about it. That doesn't mean tell a kid but the eldest Persian at the address.

I also agree with this advice regarding dogs.

Cats, however, are a different subject.

TurnerHill · #22 06/11/09, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by 65284

Welllllllll, do you think it smart to allow yourself to be intimidated, your family, if you have one, killed or mauled, your stock killed or injured?

Or do you think it smarter to either pay vet bills or keep replacing your stock, because some inconsiderate knot head neighbor won’t keep his dogs under control?

Or, maybe it would be better to just give up owning any livestock and restricting the outdoor activities of yourself, family, and/or friends on your own place, or even move, rather than "go to war" with said knot head?

Most people have a stopping point where they declare "enough is enough" and either demand something be done or do the deed themselves. I try to get along with everyone, but don't allow myself to be bullied. And a neighbor's rampaging dogs are a form of bullying.

The reason some people let their dogs to terrorize the neighborhood is because they are allowed to. If they are never asked for their cooperation and requested to confine their dogs they never will. Because they don’t have to, it’s been my experience they only become worse.

In most cases I think it best to approach the owner and calmly, politely attempt to resolve the problem, without loud, foaming at the mouth hissy fits, and certainly no threats.

If there is no genuine attempt by the owner to control the dogs there are discrete means to accomplish ends. Untold numbers of stock killing or people-aggressive dogs have been quietly disposed of. Likely the dogs are hitting everyone close, so absent any threats, the owner is left with only suspicion and to speculate about the disappearance.

The original post was about SSS, "instead of talking to the owners".

Not about SSS, "after exhausting all reasonable alternative avenues."

Everyone has to make their own value decisions. Out here on our little country road, we all look after one another. Suspicious cars/people are reported if they are at a neighbors place when they're not home. We look after each other's stock, and I have several times returned a wandering horse. That is worth hanging onto. Even at the price of a few chickens.

Txsteader · #23 06/11/09, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by catahoula

The most entertaining threads on this site are without a doubt the "why I need to kill my neighbors dog" threads. Some really fine "Neighborly help and friendly advice"

A while back some gal posted about her border collie biting her little kids face. Not one person suggested she shoot her dog, yet if it were her neighbors dog that did it...

If my own dog attacked my own kid, said dog would be dead before the paramedics arrived. If my own dog attacked anyone, off their own property, they'd be dead dogs. I consider them renegades that cannot be trusted.

TRAILRIDER · #24 06/11/09, 09:28 AM

I have never come home to find everyone of my birds torn to bits, so I can't have a real appreciation for this subject. But I believe if a strange dog was on my property I would determine if it belonged to my neighbors first. If it wasn't doing any harm that is. If it was a total stranger, Hopefully I would take it to the humane society (and not decide to keep it myself.)
However if it was currently killing chickens, ducks, goats, cats or chasing horses, OR threatening me, that would be a different story. I would have to SSS. It would kill me to do it. I love dogs, and realize its the owners fault, not the dogs fault. Dogs are all bred differently, raised differently, its just the owners who are too stupid to protect thier dogs. I would never use antifreeze to kill any animal, its much more humane to shoot them.
I think its more inhumane to allow a stray dog to run my mustang mare through a fence in a panic, than it is to shoot said dog before he gets that far. And after all, I have made provisions to keep my mare on my property FOR HER OWN SAFETY. The owner of that dog did not make any provisions for the dogs safety.
But like I say I have never been in that position. Hope I never am. I'll be armed just in case though. Mary.

TRAILRIDER · #25 06/11/09, 09:33 AM

On the otherhand, I do realize, that if any of my 5 dogs (big and little ones) were to get out and go wandering...I live in farm country. Someone may shoot them. They might not be harming a soul. But it could happen. It would be awful, but it would be MY fault, not the dogs, not the neighbors, just mine. I keep them home.

amwitched · #26 06/11/09, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by TurnerHill

If a dog bothered the chickens, would I shoot him? No.

I would think that if those chickens were your potential food or egg supply you would feel a differently.

I woke up one lovely Sunday morning, went out to feed my chickens and found a really big dog inside the brooder coop. That dog chewed it's way through the chicken wire, made it's way into the coop through a 6"-8" hole, killed 11 of my 3 month old chicks, laid down and start chewing on one of the carcasses while I stood there. DH had the pleasure of taking care of that one.

I had never seen that dog before and it did have a collar on. I never saw anyone looking for it after the deed was done either.

You say that it's just a couple of bucks to replace those birds, but it's the time & money invested in raising them and the loss of the potential income that is the worst part. Plus the fact that the feed shops don't carry chicks all year long. It's not alway easy finding replacement chicks to start the process all over again.

If that dog was let go with just a scolding, it would go over to the neighbors flock the next night and do it all over again. Of course, the dog could have already been over there.

Cheryl aka JM · #27 06/11/09, 10:39 AM

My neighbor is a real.........prize. His dogs killed 11 of my first 13 chickens the day I put them outside. When I told him about it he denied his dogs did it and told me he couldn't keep his dogs off my property because "they've always run in that pasture before you bought it." I didn't want a war with the nieghbors~ so I was civil. I fenced the line in front of his house even though I didn't need a fence there. I went back and fixed all the places his dogs were getting under my fence even though my dogs didn't have access to that pasture and were not getting through. This cost me a lot of money and I didn't appreciate it at all~ but I was civil and nice and just took care of my business.

THEN.............his niece came over and was complimentary of my now MANY chickens. I was feeling nice and gave her three of them.

Last week the neighbor came over to borrow my dog kennel so he could take his dogs to the pound because those dogs that he to this day still claims did not kill MY chickens 18 months ago.......killed the three chickens I gave to his niece. I was nice about it and loaned him the kennel to transport~ and didn't say all the truly nasty things I was thinking.

Danaus29 · #28 06/11/09, 10:47 AM

Restating for illiterates: these dogs are habitual roamers. Animal control has been out and for a while the dogs were kept chained but are now set free early in the morning when the owners are hoping people are not yet awake.

These dogs were waking me every morning at 6:15 am when their presence in my yard caused a ruckus among the ducks in the shed. Now 6:15 in the morning is not early to some of you but we are second shift workers. I get home at 1:00 am. My temper tends to run a little hot after trying to function for days with 5 hours sleep. I didn't declare war, but I will end it. Keep the dogs home or they won't come home.

BTW, there are more effective poisons which act much quicker and are less painful than antifreeze. I know dozens of them. If it comes to that it comes to that.

Shut up isn't so very easy when they are less than 300 feet away.

catahoula, I didn't read the thread about the border collie biting the child's face. But just so you know, if my dog bit someone (not just a playful accidental nip, and surely not a protective biting the arm off a burglar nip) I would be the first to put the dog down.

Jim-mi · #29 06/11/09, 10:54 AM

I'm surprised no one picked up on this....."talk to the owners" (OP)

Many times I've had *never seen before* dogs roaming here.
So please tell me how the heck am I going to talk to the "owners" ??
One time a strange dog was digging a hole about a 100' from the house . . .when I started towards it, it growled and barred its fangs at me . . .opps . . . .
The 22 only wounded it. (I was pretty upset at being growled at) . .the sheriff showed up shortly. When I showed him the hole and told him what happened he just shook his head and walked away.

The county I live in now has leash laws.

I really like dogs . . .but if you can't control yours......................

foxtrapper · #30 06/11/09, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by catahoula

A while back some gal posted about her border collie biting her little kids face. Not one person suggested she shoot her dog, yet if it were her neighbors dog that did it...

Actually, there were. Moderators removed those posts.

TurnerHill · #31 06/11/09, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Danaus29

Restating for illiterates: these dogs are habitual roamers. Animal control has been out and for a while the dogs were kept chained but are now set free early in the morning when the owners are hoping people are not yet awake.

Please explain to this poor illiterate (with a graduate degree from an Ivy League university) how we were supposed to take the statement, "Why you SSS trespassing dogs...instead of talking to the owners."

airotciv · #32 06/11/09, 11:09 AM

This happened to us a few years back. We called Animal Control and the Sheriff out each time this dog came back after my ducks. He killed 32 ducks in 4 different raids. We went to court twice and he was fined $350.00 each time and the dog was to be removed from his farm. Dog was removed, but returned 2 months later. We talked to the neighbor, his response was if you see the dog on your property, shoot it. The dog was hit by a car a month later, so the problem was gone. The problem is, Why should I have to shoot your dog? First off I can't hit the side of a barn with a gun, let alone putting me in the situation of having to take your dogs life. I hate the thought of having to shoot a dog, just because the owner doesn't care and won't take control. He always says the kids/wife let the dog off the chain. So, take control of the family.

Danaus29 · #33 06/11/09, 11:12 AM

You weren't the one I was refering to. But just so you know, when these people said they were bringing the dogs I said they need to keep them out of my yard. And IMO, if the dog is a habitual wanderer the owners don't give a rat's behind about it. I would always give a dog the benefit of the doubt unless I saw it killing or harassing my animals, those don't get chased off. If the dog is just roaming I will chase it off. But after days of little sleep I am tired of chasing things off.

Sawmill Jim · #34 06/11/09, 11:40 AM

We don't have real close neighbors an one of the wife's rescue dogs he was a pup an been hit by a car . Never though he would live sometime running his front legs quit an he tumbles

Anyway he is super friendly the neighbors dog an him meet twice a day same time every day

They make their round to the sawmill an his house all on our or the neighbors land never hurt anything .

Neighbor ask if it bothered me told him those dogs were doing the same things we were meeting an talking every chance they got .

Wife's new German Shepard pup goes with us to feed the chickens an ducks . He has to go threw the hen house an back every day never bothers anything . He is her house dog he sounds bad .

His worse sin is toting kittens around an sometimes dunking them in a small swimming pool

Txsteader · #35 06/11/09, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Danaus29

You weren't the one I was refering to. But just so you know, when these people said they were bringing the dogs I said they need to keep them out of my yard. And IMO, if the dog is a habitual wanderer the owners don't give a rat's behind about it. I would always give a dog the benefit of the doubt unless I saw it killing or harassing my animals, those don't get chased off. If the dog is just roaming I will chase it off. But after days of little sleep I am tired of chasing things off.

That's my attitude as well. We don't kill dogs simply for being on our property. The one time we have, they were repeat offenders, the owner simply refused to restrain his animals. After the 3rd offense, DH shot the dog....and dumped it in the owner's yard. Nothing was ever said because the dogs had already been picked up by animal control several times (twice from my complaints) and he knew the dogs had been documented as a nuisance.

I've owned dogs my whole life. Love 'em dearly. As a dog owner, I know I'm responsible for my dog and anything he does off my property. I take extra measures to ensure he's not any trouble to my neighbors.

It's sad when a dog has to be destroyed because of an irresponsible owner. But the way I see it, I care for my animals just as much as they 'care' for theirs. I have every right to have chickens, I have every right to let my chickens free range on my own property. And I have every right to defend my property and livestock. If someone chooses to be irresponsible and unreasonable, they can accept with the consequences.

Hooligan · #36 06/11/09, 12:17 PM

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Why you SSS trespassing dogs

instead of talking to the owners.

Someone asked once why most of us recommend SSS instead of talking to the owners of wandering dogs.

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I would always give a dog the benefit of the doubt unless I saw it killing or harassing my animals, those don't get chased off. If the dog is just roaming I will chase it off.

Well which one is it professor?

And we're the "illiterate" ones.

Danaus29 · #37 06/11/09, 01:40 PM

I guess I do need to make this a bit plainer. These dogs are free range, in violation of state and county laws. These dogs are continually released to roam the neighborhood early in the morning. Pitt mixes are considered vicious dogs under county law. A dog that tears down a fence is considered vicious under state and county laws. Keep your vicious dog home or I will shoot it, and I can hit the broad side of a barn.

Forgot to add that allowing a pitt mix to roam free is a felony which carries a $5000 fine and 6 month jail term.

ET1 SS · #38 06/11/09, 01:42 PM

We like dogs. We have dogs. We commonly allow our dogs to 'run'.

We also have livestock.

We train our dogs not to chase or harass our livestock. Some dogs can not seem to learn this lesson. So I put them down [Which is much easier now that I own a backhoe. A deep hole in the ground only takes a few minutes].

There are constantly ads in the paper and online for free dogs. Many of the dogs that we have gotten have been elderly or already diagnosed with an ailment, but the previous owners don't have the sense of responsibility to put down their own dog, so they commonly will prefer to 'give them away' to a stranger.

I see no problem with letting a dog run, especially when you have a good relationship with your neighbors and they know that it is okay for them to shoot any dog they see harassing their livestock.

Problems with a neighbor's dog? SSS

airotciv · #39 06/11/09, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Danaus29

I guess I do need to make this a bit plainer. These dogs are free range, in violation of state and county laws. These dogs are continually released to roam the neighborhood early in the morning. Pitt mixes are considered vicious dogs under county law. A dog that tears down a fence is considered vicious under state and county laws. Keep your vicious dog home or I will shoot it, and I can hit the broad side of a barn.

Forgot to add that allowing a pitt mix to roam free is a felony which carries a $5000 fine and 6 month jail term.

Danaus 29, I understand that Pitt mixes are considered vicious dogs, but any breed of dog that kills livestock, is a problem dog. The dog that attacked and kill my ducks, was a golden lab. I would have shot this darn dog, if I could have. The DH (hunter) was never home at the time of the attacks or when I saw this dog on our property. I say shoot the darn dogs, but I would give the owners a heads up before DH shot the dog. The guns we have are just to big for me to handle, DH keeps saying I'll get you a gun, but that hasn't happened in 10 years. What I would like to see is these owners doing a little jail time plus fines. Maybe the owners would control thier dogs. Now this neighboor has two dachsuns (?) that free range. So far they could care less about the livestock. But I'm watching, now that these dogs bit the neighbor in his yard.

ET1 SS · #40 06/11/09, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by airotciv

... I would have shot this darn dog, if I could have. The DH (hunter) was never home at the time of the attacks or when I saw this dog on our property. I say shoot the darn dogs, but I would give the owners a heads up before DH shot the dog. The guns we have are just to big for me to handle, DH keeps saying I'll get you a gun, but that hasn't happened in 10 years.

I suggest that getting you a rifle should be a higher priority.

Now days they make .22s that have a great deal of power. Small bore rifles are often needed around our farm.