Humane Society of United States...

I support PETA, too. I've been a member since... forever. People Eating Tasty Animals.

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I've taken in countless strays and found them homes.

My own beloved dog is of the backyard oops variety. Currently at the vet.

I think there needs to be more overall balance with an eye to ending all suffering. How often do you hear of a rescue pouring thousands into a very injured dog? Couldn't that money save or prolong the lives of dozens of other dogs, or be used to subsidize a spay/neuter program?

Honestly, to me... all animals are on the same level. They all deserve humane treatment and no animal dangerous to humans should be kept.

Our society is full of folks who worship animals. I know parents who would give aggressive biting dogs a second chance around their little ones.

Something is very broken here.

well I might ruffle feathers but referring to dogs (or any animal) as "kids" or otherwise "Disney-fying" animals are two major issues ... they are animals, pure and simple, and NOT people or cute talking creatures.

Yep. What people choose to do with their animals is up to them. You want to keep a tiny chihuahua in your purse, paint it's nails, pamper it, good for you! Someone else wants to keep a Pyr or big mutt or whatever mainly outdoors, good for them!

But don't you let that aniaml view itself as equal to, or above, humans.

I understand having a true friend in something with four legs. BTDT. I've also seen a pampered dachshund go for a child's face at Petsmart, and jerked it away from the kid myself while it's owner stood there shocked by the behavior... as she tucked it's pampered little self back into it's bag.

Harboring a dangerous animal is a sickening practice. If it's five pounds or 200, the response should be the same. There is also a difference between a dog threatening reasonably and biting for no acceptable reason.

I could go on all day about this, but it's HT so I'm likely preaching to the choir.

I'd never met an animal I havent liked.

Cant say the same with people.

People are evil.

Animals lack that quality.

They are BETTER than us.

This is the perfect kind of human hating thinking for a petabot.

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wow Randy Rooster, "evil"? Thats something I've never been called before ...

I'd like to respond to the "adoption restrictions" side of the thread. I think the distinction needs to be made between your local humane society and "rescue groups" that are often breed specific.

The rescue groups do seem to have a lot of weird rules and very high adoption fees. Some even go so far as to visit your home without warning after the adoption. They are run by people who love that ONE BREED and are usually not professionals. It's their hobby. They usually do not have a permanent facility. They are usually a little fanatic.


Local humane societies are not nearly as bad. They usually have a vet on staff, are funded by public donations and all the ones I've been to charge around 80-100$ to adopt a dog. That's reasonable IMO.

Have to emphatically disagree with you there. Animals lack MANY qualities that humans have, the main one being the theory of personality.

Dogs live in the NOW. Sure, they have traits that are the result of operant conditioning, but the fact remains that they are pack animals who do not have a sense of time or space.

Leave the house for 5 hours, come back home, Fido is thrilled.

Leave the house for 5 minutes, come back home, Fido is thrilled.

Not saying that dogs and other animals aren't great companion animals. They are. But they do not have reason, foresight, or the ability to make moral judgments.

Humans have all those qualities.

Sometimes (too often), humans make poor choices. But they are able to make those choices because they have free will.

The Creator did not imbue our animals with that characteristic.

I truly love my dog. And yes, I love him better than some people. But is he better than humans?

No.

He is an animal, with whose care I have been charged. As with all the animals in my care, he is treated well (perhaps too well, some may say; certainly better than some people treat each other), but he is STILL a dog. Great dog, beautiful dog, obedient dog, DOG.

I don't treat him like a human out of respect for his dogginess. I treat my goats like goats, rabbits like rabbits, chickens like chickens. I respect them for what they are.

Don't denigrate humans for not being animals, and don't raise up animals because they're not humans.

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I was talking about my local Humane Society.

You pay to apply, pay to run the background investigation on all persons in the house. Then you submit to an inspection of your property. Then you pay to make all the modifications they require. Then you pay for the animal, pay for all past medical treatments, pay for the spaying. Then you sign documentation that you will never move without their permission, and that you will never sell or otherwise part with the animal except through them. And you submit to all followup inspections of your property with the understanding that they can take the animal at any time if they decide to.

That's my local Humane Society. That's why they kill almost every animal that gets into their hands. Thousands a year.

Whoa!

That's a sure-fire gimmick for discouraging people. And what's even more discouraging is the fact that people actually jump through those hoops without complaint!

There must be a way to stop the local HS from making such ridiculous demands... Even the Bully Breed Rescue near Chicago isn't as demanding. They have to be extra careful because, well, as pointed out above, breed rescues know their breeds very well, and it takes a certain personality to own a bully breed. The bully breeds are very high profile, so it's important that they're well-placed.

I'm sorry your local humane society is so draconian, and hope that you and your neighbors find a way to stop them.

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The Humane Society here used to be nearly as bad as what foxtrapper describes, but I think they've lightened up since a new group took over to run it.

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Sounds like they WANTED to have to kill the animals so they could get more laws passed to limit a person's ability to own animals. Think about the ads and public testimony of these poor people who are crying about the hundreds of animals they HAVE to kill each year just because of irresponsible pet owners.

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I stopped giving the the local one here because of some issues I had with them 1) they adopted to us a dog that had known agression---serious issues---and lied to us telling us that they didn't know. When we took the dog back as it was trying to attack not only visitors to the house but my DH as well, they admited that the dog had been very agressive before.

2) DH managed to trap a stray cat that was stuck in the factory he was working at. It was very thin, starving to death but not unfriendly, like it had been someones pet. At the time we could not afford an animal--we couldn't even afford electricity let alone the vet and animal food. So I took it to the local shelter and they said (very rudely as if I was annoying them) "We don't want that cat." So I asked what could I do with it then? And they said "We don't care what you do with it we aren't taking it."

So it would not suffer, DH was prepared to "SSS". I felt so bad about it that I drove over 3 counties to find a shelter that would take the cat.

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It's not that I don't like mankind, I just like nature a whole lot more.

I tried to go through a rescue organization and quite frankly, got discouraged. I wound up at the pound and got a very nice six month old dobie who is now about a year and turning into a very good DOG. Yes, I treat her like a dog, love her but want her to know her place in the "pack". Makes for a happy dog.
I resent the fenced yard and can inspect at any time clauses. I have had animals for years and my vets will vouch for me, including the one who comes out to the farm. If that isn't good enough then I will keep an eye on the pound for the next pup.
I saw an agenda from the HSUS once and while there were some very good things on it there were some other items that kind of set me back (cam't remember specifics). Reminded me of politics.

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This is what every HS I know of does here.

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