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Interesting, timely subject, since HSUS and the ASPCA jsut this week came into our area and aided local authorities with busting a hoarder/'rescue'/local shelter.

They pulled over 300 dogs and more cats and other animals. I saw some of the rabbits - their ears were chewed off to the cartilage by other rabbits.

Others have made this point, but I want to clarify - every single humane society, or pound, etc. is independant. None of them have any correlation to the HSUS or the ASPCA. Your local shelter is no more related to them than your local hospital is related to the Mayo Clinic simply because they are both hospitals.

Usually, and I repeat usually, your local shelter is the best place to donate if you are so inclined. However, as evidenced in this post, certainly not every local shelter is doing a good job. You have to check them out for yourself.

There has been an alarming trend in the last ten years or so for hoarder types to call themselves a "rescue" and then have other people bring them more animals. Even some brick and mortar shelters are run by bonifide hoarders, and you need to watch out for that. It does not help animals.

I have watched HSUS and ASPCA (which is actually a shelter based in New York) move further and more radically left over the last decade, led by Peta and other animal rights extremists. Interestingly, the American Humane Association (AHA) which has been right in there with HSUS for decades as a national authority in animal rights issues suddenly did an about-face a few years back , and decided to focus more on child welfare issues. It's all about who is in charge, and their personal politics.

HSUS has nothing to do with local humane societies. They use the name because it sounds like they would be nice to animals.
If you value having animals at all you will stay away from HSUS. They may make noises about doing good things but the end game is no human interaction with any animals ever. Putting their hand in during various obviously bad situations gives them a sort of street cred that they will parley into getting laws passed that will destroy any option of owning any sort of animal. Doubt it? Investigate who's in charge and look at their past attitudes and comments.

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And it is the extreme animal rights folks that have cause so much problems now for the horse industry as a whole too. With no place now to take unwanted horses they are not only suffering in many ways even worse then going to a processing plant, and some are just being turned loose to fend for themselves. Nice going animal rights folks, you have and are causing the horses to suffer untold pain. Say nothing about the prices of horses on the low end are in the tank, and will be there for many years to come all thanks to those So Called Do Gooders, that never looked at the whole picture.

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What 'good' is HSUS attempting to do when they want to shut down ALL forms of livestock ownership and production?

Please do not confuse your local Humane Society with the terrorist fanatics as HSUS.

Jim

That was a good interview/expose on the SPCA ... I wonder if there was any backlash against those "Animal Cops" type of shows on Animal Planet after the 20/20 bit aired?

A bit OT here,but I am fed up w/ shelters right now. I have been trying to help my MIL find her a puppy for a companion. She's been at the same job like 20 years,owns her own home in the country,has a large dog pen,extremely responsible,etc. SHe's had NO luck adopting any of the puppies she finds on Petfinder,at various shelters & "rescues". The "rules" are simply nuts.
For instance,dog must be kept in crate inside whie she is gone rather than large outdoor pen w/ large insulated dog house. Dog NOT allowed on furniture. MUST have fenced yard,etc.etc... I don't understand all that stuff.SOme of these places are asking $300 for a mutt!!
No wonder there are so many pets stuck in shelters.
We gavce up & found some pups on Craigslist,right before the PETA nuts on there flagged & removed the post.

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Religion is being used by animal rights groups to advance a radical agenda according to an ordained Baptist Minister.

Dr. Wes Jamison, an ordained Minister as well as a professor of Communications at Palm Beach Atlantic University, spoke at the Animal Agriculture Alliance’s eighth annual stakeholder summit, held May 12-13 in Virginia. Dr. Jamison boldly stated, "Animal rights activists are using religious messages to recruit a segment of the millennial generation that has little doctrinal anchor in order to advance their vegetarian agenda."

He went on to explain that there are two factors pushing animal rights’ groups in this direction:

Religiously devout individuals often are generous donors; and

Religiously devout individuals maintain high levels of devotion to causes for long periods of time.

Dr. Jamison warned that animal rights’ groups are intentionally selecting certain biblical passages that focus on individuals’ compassion and guilt. He concluded by cautioning “people against buying in to such messages and encourage people to do their own review of Biblical scripture and literature.”

To hear more, please Click Here for an interview with Dr. Jamison courtesy of the Animal Agriculture Alliance.

http://www.ussportsmen.org/Page.aspx?pid=946

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A bit more info on the kind of person they hired and gave power to

"Bingham was able to confirm an anonymous tip that Garcia, 53, had several arrests for drunk driving in Texas, Missouri and Arizona plus a rape and kidnapping conviction in Arizona in 1973. Garcia was paroled in the rape and kidnapping case in 1976. "

http://brianoconnor.typepad.com/anim..._dave_gar.html

“Bingham received anonymous information, which was confirmed, that Garcia has a criminal background including arrests for driving while intoxicated in Texas, Missouri, and Arizona, plus a rape and kidnapping conviction in Arizona in 1973. Garcia was paroled in the rape and kidnapping case in 1976. Bingham said he dismissed the charges against McMurrey because of ethical concerns about using Mr. Garcia as a witness. He said Garcia told a prosecutor that he had no criminal history,” Horner added

http://www.animalpeoplenews.org/05/9/watchdog9.05.htm

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This is also interesting
http://www.fbi.gov/multimedia/sandie...iego042109.htm

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I'd love to, Christy, but honestly, the vetting you go through to "adopt" an animal from the Humane Society is more involved than I care to get.

I refuse to support ANY organization who feels the need to make me "apply" to see if I "qualify" to adopt a pet. The bureaucracy endemic to this organization has gotten completely out of control, and completely lost sight of the reason for their existence, to provide HOMES for ANIMALS.

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I'm not getting into the discussion about the organization, but wanted to post to this part of the post.

Why it must be crated and kept in the house:

I am not saying ALL owners do this, but the sad fact is it DOES happen and that's why those rules are in place.
I get sick to death of dog owners that think dogs make good furniture for the yard.
They get them and stick them in a pen, then only go out to feed and water the dog ( if it the dog is lucky).
Medical issues go unnoticed until it's to late sometimes, because the owner can't see what's going on because they spend so little time with the dog.
The poor dog barks and barks to get some attention, but all it's suffering falls on deaf ears.
Dogs are pack animals and are NOT meant to live stuck off in a cage/pen by itself.
It makes me wish I could stick the owner in the pen and see how THEY like that kind of life.
Pens are okay for short stays, like while the own has to work or something like that, however dogs should not live 99 % of their lives in one alone.


Must have fenced yard is for the dogs protection. Some dog owners leave their dog loose in the yard all the time or let them out in the yard to go to the bathroom.
The fence keeps the dog from wandering off and getting hit by a car or it keeps unwated things from getting into your yard to hurt your dog such as other animals.

Most of the animals in shelters have been spayed/neutered and had some medical work doen on them. Somebody has to pay for this.
The person dumping them off isn't going to shell out of it.
If you can't afford the adoption fee, then you probably can't afford the medical care for the dog should it be needed.

Climbing back down off my soap box now.
Loves dogs and has 4 rescues that nobody else wanted. Who sleep in the house and are my furkids.

I understand the problem of irresponsible owners,which my MIL is NOT. I will never believe a dog is better off in a tiny crate where it can't even go potty than in a large pen,that's just cruel. Our local country vet is awesome,& will cost nowhere NEAR $300 to get a pup fully vetted. I know cuz I use him all the time. SOme of these organizations are just nuts.Imagine trying to tell an owner that if they adopt a dog from them,they can't allow it on the furniture! What nerve.

My MIL lives alone,has no intention of letting her new best friend run wild,to get ht by a car. My oldest son lives in a nice apartment complex,and MANY people own dogs there. They even have a special doggie park! According to the "no fence" rule,none of these people could adopt a dog. SO, the poor dogs sit in cages in shelters. Sad.

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True, but the animal shelter has no way of knowing who will abuse the animals and those who won't. The rules are to try to adopt the animals into the best home for them.

Crating a dog isn't cruel if it's done correctly. All of my dogs are crate trained and they consider their crates they private area and often go lay down in them when they want their personal space.

Crating done wrong is very cruel.

Boy, I hear you on that one! It's amazing what they expect around here. Then they wonder why they can't place animals.

I support both Peta and the HSUS.

Extremist is the way livestock raising has been industrialized, with zero compassion given to the animals from birth to the slaughter.

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God will sort it out in the end.

Very true too many rules and regulations it is nearly impossible to "adopt" a animal. That is IF you can qualify in the first place. No Outside living for the dog even if it is a husky or ANY real long haired dog. Those rules the peta and AHSA puts on shelters is just plain silly. They are so far out of their minds on so many things it is just plain scary.

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I understand the frustration many feel when trying to adopt an animal. Personally, I've never had a problem and no such restrictions, particularly about furniture, have ever been made on me. In fact, only for my big man oldster beagle have I ever had a home visit. (And since the person knows beagles, she knows a too pristine house won't survive a happy beagle. ).

I have heard of such nonsense though and during discussion with other rescuers, I've found by listening that some of the odd rules that come into play in some areas are directly related to either local laws (such as VA Beach having a law against leaving dogs outside at certain temperatures) or common criminal behaviors (we have LOADS of dog nappings for use as bait dogs for dog fighters, hello Michael Vick that dirtbag) or locally prevalent reasons for turning in dogs. Here we also have a problem with fake adoptions. Dog fighters come and adopt dogs over and over to use as bait dogs to be ripped apart while alive. Why pets and adoptions instead of strays? Because they know they are more likely to be healthy and disease and parasite free, therefore safer to rip to shreds for the fighters.

Lots of breed specific rescue groups don't do a lot of that weird stuff simply because they know the kind of home that breed usually thrives in. The ideal home for a pom is very different than one for a rescued greyhound and they focus on that. The costs from them can be higher, but they are usually healthier or at least well checked so there is disclosure of problems.

Breeders of the massive kind are horrors I still can't believe people are okay with and I applaud the work so many people who are calm and reasonable do to stop it. It is the extremists who make it a problem to do the right thing for everyone, IMHO.

I still say, adopt locally if possible. And if your humane society is over-reacting due to some local issue, as the community you have the ability to volunteer or get active and help them change their rules to be more user friendly and still safe.

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do you own any livestock or pets?

This breaks my heart. The feds are looking at killing mustangs now, because of the population problems.

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