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Old 06/14/09, 04:43 PM
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I don't want to get involved in dissenting views here.

I'm of the theory that it's okay to eliminate something that is damaging the structure of your home.
But, I remember well, the backlash I got from people here when I needed to put an end to the critter causing damage to our home.
Goodness gracious, the SSS lesson hit home that week.

My primary concern here is: Where are the children while this process of shooting bees, who follow a haphazard flight, takes place so close to your home?

Please, watch out for the children!

And please stress the fact that the children are NEVER allowed to hunt bees with out the supervision of a very responsible adult!

It worries me that youngsters may be learning that this is a fun sport, without learning the possible dangers connected to it.

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I think you're right Don, enough of the pagan pap, let's get to the real issue, clearing out the vermin. Mice--gone. Rats--history. Paper Wasps--flambe'. Next up is poison ivy, hemlock, and pigweed.

Also I'm curious. Just how large a charge you setting that you need flame proof britches?
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Old 06/15/09, 09:22 PM
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I think you're right Don, enough of the pagan pap, let's get to the real issue, clearing out the vermin. Mice--gone. Rats--history. Paper Wasps--flambe'. Next up is poison ivy, hemlock, and pigweed.

Also I'm curious. Just how large a charge you setting that you need flame proof britches?

well i was gonna put them on cause I figured someone would be after me with starter fluid and a bic.
seriously though I wear flame resistant pants when working a shoot sight , one foot long scar was more than enough for me
for most ant hills Ive found that a tad over an Ounce of BP poured doen the main entrance with a heavy plate secured over the top (park the rear tractor tire on it ) is more than enough to liquafy the colony .
if your more into hearing the boom slip the plate and tractor
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This is seriously one of the greatest things about HT. The thing I love the most. There are exactly zero people in my everyday (offline) life that hold opinions so completely contrary to mine. It's very refreshing for me to come here and know beyond the shadow of a doubt that you (and several others) will always be here to disagree with me.

I love you guys. Really.
Awesome attitude :-) Makes HT a very welcoming place, I find, speaking as one of your more left-ish denizens.

I was very anti-bee-baseball when the thread started, but my carpenter tells me they are already eating the porch he just put up and the framing for the windows upstairs.

Now practicing my swing. Just kidding But I do think that mechanical defenses are better for the environment than poisons that can linger and kill more benign creatures. For example, I'll kill any tick I find, and buy other animals to eat the ticks, but I won't spray my lawn with insecticide. I'm also thinking of bringing in more black snakes to eat the &*%& water moccasin babies. Snakes good, poison snakes bad. Bugs good, bugs that bite me bad.
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WG brought up that societies must be the final authority. But that argument falls flat. Because slavery was once thought, by society, to be perfectly just. Now, it's evil.

But the thing itself - slavery, couldn't be BOTH right AND wrong. The morality of slavery hasn't changed. it's always been evil. But society took awhile to "discover" that, and this proves that ACTUAL morality exists apart from society.
I'm not following the logic here. Society "changed its mind" on slavery, sure. But how does this prove that morality exists apart from society? It seems the argument requires that we believe that we're correct *now* that slavery is universally wrong, and that we were incorrect *before* when we thought it was right. In a hundred years if people rediscover a new and better form of slavery that they believe is good, does that mean we're actually wrong *now* and just think we're right?

I'm a Christian, and believe that there's a God who knows what's right and wrong, but I'm unconvinced that I or anyone else can read Her mind. I think morality is us humans doing the best we can with the information we've got.
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Old 06/16/09, 03:58 PM
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Complicating matters further, there's also the fact that the Christian god doesn't condemn slavery in the Bible. (It does set some rules for slaveowners.) So who decided slavery is evil, Chuck -- God or man?
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Old 06/18/09, 09:38 AM
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I have a question for the bee huggers here: Exactly what would you do if your house were to become infested with termites, roaches, ants, etc.?

Surely you must realize that a swift knockout blow with a tennis racket is much more humane than the slow agonizing death caused by insecticides and other forms of eradication available.
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Old 06/18/09, 12:18 PM
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I honestly don't know. I've never had that kind of problem.

However, I don't think a serious, effective bee eradication program can be mounted with a badminton racket. Do you?
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Old 06/18/09, 02:02 PM
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I honestly don't know. I've never had that kind of problem.

However, I don't think a serious, effective bee eradication program can be mounted with a badminton racket. Do you?
It's a start.

Plus it's fun. When those suckers start buzzing and diving at me, there is lots of satisfaction to be gained by knocking them into next week!
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Old 06/18/09, 02:07 PM
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I have a question for the bee huggers here: Exactly what would you do if your house were to become infested with termites, roaches, ants, etc.?

Surely you must realize that a swift knockout blow with a tennis racket is much more humane than the slow agonizing death caused by insecticides and other forms of eradication available.
When I get a house, I intend to build it of stone partly for that reason. Ideally it will have a slate roof.....might be a while before I can afford it, lol.
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Old 06/18/09, 03:53 PM
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The problem here is the FUN a lot of you seem to get from killing things.
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Old 06/18/09, 04:05 PM
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The problem here is the FUN a lot of you seem to get from killing things.
No problem for me. Nor for most of the people here. Again "NOT A PROBLEM!"

Besides, I don't really even hunt anymore. Biggest thing outside of a copperhead that I've killed lately is probably a carpenter bee. There is some sport to that. So it's fun.
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Old 06/18/09, 04:21 PM
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Seems like this post has been grossly over analyzed and conclusions of convenience hoisted up the mast to see who even notices. I second WIHH
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Old 06/18/09, 04:35 PM
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I agree with Ross, this thread has run it's course.
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