SS#'s for infant?

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Some of us don't go at all

OP Good for you!!

no such thing? really?

I assume that your talking about property taxes. In which case I agree.

However the context of the conversation seemed to be about income taxes, in which case, your assertion is incorrect.

Many people do not pay income taxes.

As you approach self-sufficiency you would be approaching tax-free status as well.

When you produce 95% of your own food, energy, clothing and medicines; your 'need' for a higher cash income is less.

Living in a wet forested area like mine where 100 acres could cost you $100 in property taxes each year; we do see families raising children on very low incomes. Often below the minimum for paying income taxes.

You only 'need' a high income if you live in a high cost-of-living area [and obviously are not self-sufficient].

Clearly homesteading in a low cost area and being self-sufficient does go hand in hand with paying no income taxes.




Each area is different. We have Amish in this area that appear to be doing fine. But then we have no factories for them to work at anyway [if we did it would raise the cost-of-living].

I have nothing against the government, I am career military. I just don't want them spending my money.

Children sometimes decide they don't want to care for their parents. They leave home and "do their own thing". Occasionally they die before their parents. That is no security at all.

Mary

ok...I stand corrected. obviously you make too little to pay the feds in income taxes, which is cool. now...if you REALLY are trying to steer clear of 'the man', remember that when you buy things at Goodwill or Walmart...you pay tax. why not just stick to flea markets and garage sales? and yes..I was speaking of property taxes when I said no matter how self-sufficient you try to be...there is a tax man lurking over your shoulder. LOL

again...absolutely. now..you may decide you've raised your children with the mindset to take on your care, but it may....just may....not be the best thing to count on. SS stinks, it isn't much money for sure, but it helps. will it still be there when I need it? who knows. guess I'm too independent, cause I'd rather have that piddley amount as opposed to being a burden to my kids. and again.......to each their own...which is what I thought this discussion was about, until YOU (rebel lemming) became superior in (rather you husband did) deciding everyone that doesn't agree with you is some kind of evil sell-out. or whatever that was about...it was sort of wordy. the OP asked for opinions on not having a SS#, not some anti-government bashfest.

WITH a birth certificate AND a social security card my daughter could not get her drivers license, It took more ID, in the form of a health insurance card and, later, her voter's registration. (tho a matricula consular card from Mexico woudl have done if she were Mexican...Mexican state issued ID was enough, US issued ID was not, go figure...)

SO a SS number is not a panacea by any means.

But just curious...how many pages of nitpicking other people's decisions when it makes not one whit of difference to anyone on here is this going to run to, you think?

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You got me... I guess we do pay taxes.. that sales tax will always get ya.
I wasn't talking about property taxes, I was referring to the $2,000 a kid comment. Although there are ways to get around property taxes also, but I won't go into that here.
I don't think anyone is "evil" for taking government benefits or paying taxes to receive those benefits. I honestly don't care what anyone else does, lol.
I am saying that if you don't want to pay taxes, or receive these benefits, that doesn't mean your paranoid, fearful or stupid.

But I can no longer speak on this subject because since I shop at goodwill, I do indeed pay taxes.
When I find a way around that... I will let you know

taking a vow of poverty will do that to a person...

It all depends on how you raise them.
You can raise them to be self-absorbed little jerks who are only think about themselves and perhaps making the big bucks someday, or you can raise them like we have

did that sound arrogant? if it did, I apologize

Parents are supposed to do for their kids - not the other way around (within reason of course) - seems selfish that you expect your kids to take care of you - maybe they might want to go to college and spread their wings and have a life with their own family.

In the end, i think if your willing to live with the outcome of not having
ss #'s, then it's your perogative - to each's own.

You don't need a SS number if you choose not to be in the system. That is like the Amish choosing not to ask for the benefits later. The kids can get SS numbers anytime. Its will be a pain in the !@# , but that's not your choice to make for others.

Its so interesting to see these thread and peoples fears about doing things different.

We only go to the Dr. as needed , our kids have been and have SS numbers but DH is an accountant and we like our little deductions

Rebel Lemming - What part of Ohio are you in? I read on your blog we went to Lehman's. We are in Knox county

So, the husband has no job, no education, no vehicle.

I'm not pro SS... and I totally understand the intricacies of living underground and off the grids... but unless one is a drug dealer, or homeless, how does one get the necessities of feeding four children? Own land? must pay taxes... Have a job, must pay taxes. Have vehicle, one must have a license, and pay taxes. What college will take you without an SSN. Not saying a person has to have college, but these days, without a college degree, you can't flip burgers.

Good luck....

How many folks believe it's just the 'number' that tracks you. If the State wants you, they'll get you, unless you're literally living underground (and even molemen come out eventually).

I reckon if I inherited a sack full of 100 dollar bills, and walked everywhere, I could do without the SSN.

I don't reckon anyone's needed to see my SS since I started working for the govt. back in the 80s. (tracking the folks that don't have SSN's! ... just kidding... I worked with trees and grizzly bears)

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My husband works, and has a higher education than most people, and his vehicle is his tractor, and I think its sexy
He works for himself. He works for others. He makes enough money to take care of his family and then some.
We eat only what we grow ourselves.
We own 20 acres of land.
Our children are happy and 100% healthy.
They are homeschooled.

Some of us truly believe in family first. We take care of eachother.
We raise our kids to think of family first. How is that selfish?
There is nothing in this world more important than family.

It is bizzare to me that you think that just because we raise our kids this way, that we are holding them back from going to college.
If these kids choose to go to college someday, that is up to them.
They will be smart enough to figure out how to get their SSN's for themselves when the time comes. They are much smarter than most people, apparently.
Since when is raising kids to be self sufficient and capable of doing anything being selfish???
Just because people do things differently than you do, doesn't mean they are doing it for selfish reasons.
If our kids choose not to be our caregivers when we are old and can no longer take care of ourselves on our own, then we have failed miserably.
And, being capable individuals, we will think of something if that time ever comes.

<<It all depends on how you raise them.
You can raise them to be self-absorbed little jerks who are only think about themselves and perhaps making the big bucks someday, or you can raise them like we have

did that sound arrogant? if it did, I apologize >>


I have lived long enough to know that it doesn't always come down to how they were raised. I guess time will tell how arrogant or not that reply was.

Mary

Rebel Lemming,

Keep in mind, what if you suddenly develop mental illness or multiple selcrosis? You will need around the clock care and not everyone is up to task and eventually the grind will be too much for your hubby or kids. Not every kid wants to be their parents' sole caregiver. I know I'm not and my parents knew that even though they have 3 other kids, they made sure that they took care of themselves and are glad they get Meidcaid for their health problems and such even tho it's not 100% foolproof. It's your responsibility to take care of yourself when you're in your old age not your kids. Good luck and am sure your kids are good kids but just wanted to make sure you understood that setting up your kids to be your caretaker when you're old is not a realisitic expectation. Wait til your kids are teenagers!

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