SS#'s for infant?

I would think it might matter if you all needed unemployment benefits, and even if you couldn't get insurance for yourselves - what about getting it for your kids (from your state) - you would most definitely need it for that - that would be a bad time to spend piles of energy, etc. to then go back and do what maybe you should have.

I think it won't matter for a bit, but when things get tough, it could end up
you getting denied services or such that would make a huge difference to your family.

And, not claiming dependants on taxes - what a waste to give extra $$ to
uncle sam - by the time the child is ready for college, that would have been
a lot of extra $$ saved for that purpose. Just seems crazy to me to not claim
deductions - unless of course you make alot more than your reporting and don't care.

I will bet that it will come up at an inopportune time and you'll wish you had.

My farm has a map number, a township number, and a lot number. Those sets of numbers are used to identify my land, when paying property taxes.

The deed I hold for each of my properties has my name, but no SSN written down. [Now I do have an SSN, I am just saying that so far it is not attached to any of my properties].



Good point.

You do not need a SSN for each of your children to claim them as dependants on your Federal IRS tax filings. An alternative IRS number works fine too.

Personally I do not pay income taxes, I like my money to be in my budget and not in the Federal budget.

Possibly not lying but certainly uninformed. By agreeing to the benefits you agree to the costs associated and there are many more costs than you might recognize. Some costs you might not even agree are benefits.

This is a difficult concept to get nailed down but it seems to work this way:

A child is born. A birth certificate is issued. The birth certificate is recorded with the Commerce Dept of the U.S. When a SSN is applied for (a government benefit) the government establishes an account for the being created by the birth certificate, vests it with many millions of dollars, and these groups that want your SSN (DNR, Drivers License Bureau, health insurance, prison system, IRS ... ) all can tap into the account that is created to fund the beneficial services they provide. These accounts are also used to fund the national debt. Remember you cannot question the national debt per the 14th amendment because it is there for your benefit.

A death occurs. The death certificate cancels the birth certificate and the SSN account.

If you would like to read more about this subject just do a search for 1099OID on the internet and there will be enough information available to make your eyes cross.

Just to make it clear, I am not a 1099OID type person. These folks think by submitting the proper paperwork they can get cars and houses paid for. I have simply read a little about the concept and decided that my nature does not run along these lines.

Yuppers that is all it is, much ado about nothing. It is after all Just a Number nothing more then that, but in this day in age it IS an important number. And I sure can't understand just why when they are speaking for in infant, and that infant can't say anything Why put that person through heck in years to come by not getting one.

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I don't.

Im betting because her account has your name and SS number on it.

I also dont believe that about not having enough ID to get one. Her birth certificate and signed statements of identity by you are enough.

You said it doesnt bother you, but its going to bother her when she gets older

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I find it bizarre that some of you are so fearful of the government that you do not get your children SSN's, yet you are perfectly content to allow the government to keep more of your $ b/c of that decision.

When applying for a SSN (Social Security Number) you are NOT applying for benefits! Do you understand the difference between applying for a Social Security Number and applying for Social Security benefits?

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first of all, it has nothing to do with fear.
second of all, what $ is the government keeping from us because our kids don't have SSN's?? We are totally and completely self-sufficient. We rely on the government for nothing, we don't want or need any government perks or benefits. Our children are our SS for the future, not the few measily bucks the government says they will give when we become senior citizens.
I find it odd that most of you who disagree with the people who are not getting their kids numbered try to make us all look like we are paranoid freaks who are afraid of the government when that is not the case at all. It is part of our belief system.. it has nothing to do with fear.

No it is not, I did try to apply and we need no less than THREE separate documents. I have a list, I just don't have enough of the right ones. They couldn't have cared less about her birth cert. and the lady was quite adamant about my statement not being good enough.

As for her getting one in the future, I don't see a problem. I would imagine by the time she is a teenager we should have enough proof of her existence. Until then, I'm not going to lose any sleep over it.

Maybe I should clarify something. A signed doctor's statement and a statement from an insurance company with her named is good enough. She has never seen a doctor, never needed one and I refuse to go spend the $$ needed to obtain said statement over a silly number that she has no use for until she is much older.

We do not have insurance, I pay out of pocket for everything. I know, hard concept for some, but we like it that way. So, no statement there. Like I said, not enough proof of identity. Trust me, I did try.

You are overpaying the government about $2,000 per kid, per year.

It's not a benefit, it's a reduction in what you have to pay.

I guess this is not an astronomical amount, but I'd sure hate to lose out on it, myself.

...You are paying income taxes, right?

In a free society, people should be able to opt out of programs and services they don't want or need.

Your baby has NEVER seen a doctor, since birth?

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Social security is a benefit. That is because government in the U.S. (as elsewhere) exists as a beneficial trust. Anything tied to the government is beneficial.

If you put one foot on the road you are accepting the benefits of the government maintaining the road.

If you find yourself in penitentiary somewhere along the line you accepted the benefit of the punishment (penitence).

absolutely. there is no such thing as being so self-sufficient that you don't pay taxes, so it's not like it's an evil thing to claim what is due you. now...if your belief is such that you do think that money is evil, then of course that's up to you. however, it's a bit harsh to post about people being evil just because they find that money helpful to raise their family. some people just need to. the city newspaper had an article yesterday about Amish folks that now have to work factory jobs to live (again...we all have property taxes and such we can't make disappear) who have been laid off, now have been given permission to collect unemployment if they need to. a first, since they believe in being totally self-sufficient also. I'd hardly fault them for taking that benefit or any RIGHTFUL benefit the government gives. but then again, I may choose to not agree with government all the time....but haven't felt the need to turn against my country either.

She was born at home and has never been sick beyond the common cold, so no, she has never been to a doctor. None of us go unless we need to.

Social Security survivors benefits went a long way in helping my brother and I finish college when my father passed away when we were young. It also kept us fed after he passed away as my mother had a minimum wage job for most of her life. SS retirement and Medicare kept her comfortable after she reached 65, until she passed at 85. As for me I am looking forward to the $665 a month that I will be drawing in a couple of years to supplement my retirement. If you want to have all the life’s hassles that would arise from not having a SS number i.e. Federal tax deductions, applying for credit etc. , then go for it. As for me and mine we all have numbers.

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