To Immunize or Not to Immunize

I agree as some can be so far out in left field it is really scary sometimes. I mean come on, anybody at anytime can have a reaction to a drug. I myself did a few years ago, and nearly died, but that will not stop me from still taking drugs, and not just letting things go till the end..
We have the best health care in the world and have people living many many years past what they were doing 100 years ago.
ALL thanks to Modern Drugs and shots to Prevent things later on in life.

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"You only need to see a single child suffering from polio or whooping cough or any of the other diseases which can be vaccinated against, and you'll be converted in favour of vaccination forever."

FALSE. The assumption here is that a healthy child has been infected with a "virus" which is not possible. And without the superstitious germ theory vaccination then crumbles.

"It is up to you to decide whether or not to vaccinate your children,..."

But the ones with the guns don't think so.

"...and whether or not you want to contribute to the revival of these deadly diseases by ignoring their existence."

See above.

"Millions upon millions of lives have been saved by vaccination."

Million upon millions of lives have been maimed and lost by vaccination.

"Only a relatively few children have suffered as a result of vaccination."

A lot of children have suffered greatly as a result of vaccination.

"The percentages of ill-effects are very small."

The percentages of ill-effects are huge.

"Your baby is still very tiny, so is not yet ready to be vaccinated. You've got some time to think about it - but my advice would be to do it. The risks really are small."

Your baby is still very tiny, and he is never ready to be vaccinated. You've got some time to think about it - but my advice would be to not do it. The risks really are great.

"Remember - the doctors who are leaning on you to do it, are the ones who have seen and tried to treat the consequences of not doing it! As I said above, you only have to see it once....."

Remember - the doctors who are leaning on you to do it, are the ones guilty of killing and maiming innocent children.

"One thing which hasn't been mentioned so far is the fact of world travel. Not only are people arriving in your country from other 'unprotected' countries by their thousands every day, many of them carrying the diseases you don't want, but also your child might one day want to travel the world. It may be necessary for your daughter to be vaccinated against a whole range of diseases before being allowed to leave (or to come back home again if she gets infected!). Think on it."

See above again.

"And yes, my children got all the recommended vaccinations. And so did I, once they became available. I have never met any of my generation who hasn't done it, and had their children done too. It's only the later generation which has become blase and complacent about it."

This quackery has always been met with resistance since its beginning.

How would you explain this:

http://www.deathbymodernmedicine.com/
http://www.whale.to/a/null9.html

Oh, boy. Animal filth and poison? State terrorists? "The ones with the guns" don't think vaccination is up to parents? ""Millions upon millions" of lives have been maimed and lost due to vaccines?

Listen. A minority of people do get a reaction to vaccines, just like some people are highly allergic to foods harmless for almost everyone else. Any family unfortunate enough to have suffered a severe reaction to a vaccine should not be forced to vaccinate the rest of their kids without a guaratee their systems can take it.

But talk about going off the deep end! Do you care at all about your credibility here?

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Really that was my point some are "way out in left field" on some things like this. Sure some get a reaction but those that do not WAY out number those that do and have a way better quality of life because of it.

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Never had a need to take them to a real (natural) physician


QUESTION? How did you treat a bad cold or an ear infection or strep throat??

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FALSE. The assumption here is that a healthy child has been infected with a "virus" which is not possible. And without the superstitious germ theory vaccination then crumbles.

PLease explain.
You think it is not possible for a healthy person to be struck ill or you do not believe in the existence of viruses?

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Hate to say I told you so, but I told you so. Please, research both sides thoroughly so you make an informed decision. This is your child, you do what you feel is best for her/him. People are always quick to give advice on what's best for your children, take in everything, research everything, then make an informed decision.

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Not much doctors can do for a bad cold or an ear infection that you can't do at home. But I agree, there are times when going to a doctor is the best decision. Unfortunately too many go too often and their bodies never build up immunity to everyday germs, which causes them to get sick easier and more often. I very seldom go to the doctor.

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I had all three of my children vaccinated all when I was told to do so. Having said that, now I must add my youngest caught pertussis( whooping cough) at 3mths old took going to 3 different doctors for them to finally figure out that is indeed what he had, and then the whole family had to go on antibiotics. The youngest has also had chicken pox twice and the middle one 3 times even though they recieved the shots. So up to you but be careful either way cause you never know.

wow, did I open a can of worms....but I thank each & every one of you for your opinions.

I cannot say that vaccines are not helpful, but as others have mentioned, it just seems like way too many shots all at once, in such a tiny body.

As for our doctor, we don't have much choice, we HAD to have one before we left from the hospital and this is the only one that would see us without having had vaccines at the hospital (the only other one in town won't even see you if you arent up to date on shots).

Have some thinking to do, and thanks again!

(and I'm glad this thread didn't get too nasty....should have seen the potential)

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Hi CarolynRenee, congratulations on the birth of your baby, children are so precious. I applaud you for wanting to make an informed decision. I have had my 3 children vaccinated with most of the vaccines. We did not do the hep b, hib, or chicken pox. My children's only reaction to the vaccines they received was a mild fever and some irritability. I agree with the posters who suggested doing your research and making an informed decision based on your research and not fear. I don't know if you are of a religious nature. If you are, I would suggest for you to pray about this matter. If you feel the Lord is giving you a peace about it, then I would trust Him and have her vaccinated.

Do keep in mind as well that boosters do not have to be administered....you can ask your doc to check vaccine titers to see if they are still immune to that particular disease. If your child is still immune, then you can further delay boosters.

MMR is no longer available as a separated vaccine. This is one we have chosen to delay for as long as possible in the hope that Merck will start producing separated vaccines again.

That really stinks that your doctors there are so...how shall I say...single-minded? Where in the world would you take your children if you had a religious objection to immunizations? (Not starting a debate, just curious!!) That's ludicrious that the docs operate like that, good heavens!

Anyway, again, good luck in your decision!

SHawna

This was such a hard decision for us. Our 17 yr. old was fully vaccinated because I didn't know there were any problems with them back then. He had a seizure shortly after an MMR and has learning disabilities. I'll never know if the two are related, but when my daughter came along 2 1/2 yrs. ago I refused to take the chance. This is where you really have to make the decision for yourself, but I had her vaccinated for the ones I considered too scary to take a chance with. I interviewed a lot of 'old timers' who remember these diseases and the consensus was, "We survived measles, mump, rubella and chicken pox, but don't mess with diptheria, tetanus, pertussis or polio" so that's what I based it on. She hasn't had the MMR--don't know when or if we'll do it. Follow your instincts. Her ped. pushed the rota virus vaccine and two weeks after I had refused it the FDA recalled it because it damaged some kids. Besides...my son had it before the vaccination was ever offered and survived it. I think surviving some of those things (like chicken pox) can make the body stronger.

The main thing I did and wish I had done for my son was to do single doses, none of that sticking them multiple times in one visit. I also waited longer between shots. I can't believe that bombarding the system with all those vaccinations is a good thing.

My mother had polio. Dad was a prof at the U and I went to medical school where Salk worked on the polio vaccine. All us kids were vaccinated as are my two kids including Gardasil (HPV) and meningovax for DD16.

Let me suggest if you do not immunize to avoid crowds of similarly unvaccinated children especially if any are ill. Also Europe and Britain are fairly anti vaccine- if you had any interest in immigrating or traveling life would be easier there. I was pretty distressed when we lived there that my young baby- too young for many vaccines- could be at daycare/preschool with older kids carrying measles or pertussis. Here USA some doctors are considering banning nonvaccinated kids from their practice to protect their other patients in the waiting room etc.

Another parent who would take the vaccination back or do it differently if I could. My DD had all of her vaccinations including the first MMR, after her MMR she was not the same child. We have not given her another vaccination since. I don't think the vaccination is the only cause of Asperger's or autism but I definately believe that for some reason in these diseases the immune system is not able to handle all that we throw at them whether, that is a genetic or environmental problem I don't know. I do know that my child has and will continue to struggle with something that could possibly have been prevented had we known enough to space out or even refuse those vaccines. If she steps on a rusty nail tomorrow I would give her the booster shot but I would also insist it be preservative free and tetnus only not the combo. Do your research and look at both sides not just the "herd immunity" but beware of the "herd mentality".

Rhonda

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Oh? Looks pretty disgusting to me. If you doubt what is in vaccines ask the Dr. for the package insert you will be surprised.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pin...nt-table-2.pdf

http://www.knowvaccines.com/mmr.htm

http://www.knowvaccines.com/mmr.htm

http://www.knowvaccines.com/hepb.htm

http://www.knowvaccines.com/hibhepb.htm

http://www.knowvaccines.com/polio.htm

http://www.knowvaccines.com/pneumococcal.htm

http://www.knowvaccines.com/hib.htm

http://www.knowvaccines.com/dtap.htm

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Let's break out he tin foil hats again.

The only reason we are having this discussion is because vaccines are so effective. When I was growing up in the 60s & 70s there was no discussion. You were vaccinated. The polio epidemics were still fresh in everyone's minds.

Ask the woman who spent 60 years in an iron lung if she would have taken the polio vaccine if it were available.

If your kids plan on going into the Military or most Universities they will be vaccinated.

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akhomesteader, thank you for the links....very interesting.
Gott'a love the "monkey kidney cells"....kinda' makes me hungry!
Just kidding.

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Anyone can print anything they want. You choose to believe these quacks instead of the thousands of Doctors they rail against. These people have an agenda, they make money off of there books, or the worthless vitamins that they sell.

I have many friends that are Drs, none of them are mindless drones that follow the orders of big pharma. That is what these books are insinuating. Are we to believe the studies that they quote while ignoring the multitude of other studies to the contrary?

Check out this site
http://www.quackwatch.org/03HealthPr...mu/immu00.html

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