registering chicks?

Regarding harassment and privacy intrusion under the threat of violence, aka "the census," my wife and I didn't send this nonsense in 10 years ago and I didn't even know what I know now. A State disciple was sent out a few times to disturb the peace and gather info but never got to see my wife. She probably received a few answers from me only because I was nice and felt sorry for her little soul doing such dirty work, but I protected my wife every time. Eventually after about 4 attempts maybe she never returned.

This time around, being the adopted children of God that we are now, the antichrist state and its members will have to reckon with the King of kings and Lord of lords when they trespass upon our house and the temple of God.

The scriptures have nothing nice and pleasant to say regarding those who trouble the disciples of the Lord Jesus Christ!

I'm sure that way will work too, but don't the 69 young nubile perky female apprentices sound like more fun?

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Yes prometheus there are many fun ways to deal with this matter, one being to just answer the questions in a creative way as suggested. Some just Return To Sender as is and others have RTS with an additional remark. Another option would be to not send it in and await the presence of the harassing census worker who violates the will of man for a little bit of money and ask him or her 75 of your very own and very personal questions, in addition to demanding 3 forms of picture id that provide a full name and a home address. For security purposes a home telephone number will be necessary as well. One may further choose to take pictures and video record the event. Maybe even invite him or her inside to discuss Nazi Germany?

And this relates to giving your address to the feed store in what way..............?
Ah, yes. Any time the "Man" asks you anything, they are out to get you. All this crazy talk and then you howl like a coon dog when anyone mentions tin foil hats. Jeeese.

I am looking for some buff orpington's-day olds, my current hens aren't broody ( and aren't laying well either). Any connections? I don't need 25 and craigs list doesn't have any.

Ridiculous!! My birds are nonconfined. they cohabit with the sparrows in the barn. Haven't lost one in years--except when a neighbor's dog ran amok. The confinement birds may not experience the stray sparrow, but the workers pick up dead birds daily.

What's next--will an agent appear on my doorstep and want to know how many chicks have hatched? Will each chick need a nameplate? If one buff orpington goes missing, how will you know which one it is. Or isn't. I can't tell one from the other.

The poultry accused of spreading the disease in China are kept in very closely confined spaces. And the chicken keepers are often cohabiting with the chickens. Not a good way to keep healthy.

Best way to go is to grow your own. At least until the agents start knocking on doors.

MaKettle, I wish life were as you imagine it. Free range birds are exposed to much more potential disease than confined ones. When a million birds occupy a building, there will always be dead birds. But the percentages is still better than free range. I wish it weren't so.

That you've never lost birds may be interesting, but is doesn't prove anything. I've drank creek water and not gotten sick. Does that mean creek water is safe? Nope.

To go on with the talk of government agents, nameplates and such is a bit off topic and frankly detracts from intelligent conversation.

Avian Influenza has killed birds and people in several Asian countries. It has been mainly home raised, free range, family flock chickens, not huge commercial operations. It has spread mostly along trade routes, people buying and selling among themselves. No one is sleeping with the chickens in a huge confinement operation.

Growing your own or buying locally from a "closed flock" makes good sense. Buying birds from a feed mill that has bought birds from a national hatchery that buys from dozens of other hatcheries is more risky.

I can either call the USDA each day and get a list of hatcheries that were found with infected birds, cross reference that information with the hatcheries that sell to the main hatchery that my Feed Mill buys from to know that my new chicks are safe or I can leave my name and address with the Feed Mill and let them contact me if there are any disease outbreaks. Is it really so complicated?

Yes it is!!! The USDA can't handle food outbreaks now and they have no right to know anything about the food I raise for myself, period!

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We spoke too soon, I guess. Proposed new tax on drinks that contain sugar? 1 cent per ounce...

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You're kidding!!

I assume that means "added" sugar? I wouldn't want to pay more for my Kudsen's juice than it already is. Even combining sales and coupons, it's a little steep.

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When you are buying chicks and the gov't is asking for you personal information they are compiling information not only for NAIS, but to be able to tax you further in the future.

As far as this happening in the future with your fruits & vegies, the future is now. Read house bill 875 or read some of the threads here.

My DD just received her Master's in Public Health with special emphasis on pandemics - Bird Flu tain't really happening here folks.

Instead of creating new Safety Administrations, what is really needed is huge penalties on where the illnesses begin - like the lying peanut producer. Just a couple of these & everyone will get the message to keep your flocks & food healthy. I'd rather police myself, than have someone else do it.

Again, we all need to look under the smoke screen, become politically astute/active or we won't have much freedom left.

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There's a pretty good article on this at OverLawered.com

http://overlawyered.com/tag/cpsia/

I'm new to this topic. Some questions come to mind. I wonder if the U.S. is like China - we're not as populated, more space between people. Don't know if many city folk here have chickens like they might in Chinese villages.

How many people here have their chickens interacting with the neighbor chickens? I don't even know where the nearest chickens are from my place.

I also wonder how wild birds interact with chickens. I have mine confined in pens. Those of you with free-range chickens - do you see wild birds interacting with your chickens? Exactly how do they do that? Like a crow playing with a rooster or what?

How easily is bird flu transmitted? How close of contact is needed to spread flu from a chicken to a wild bird - will a fly-by do?

Poultry is kinda curious, and kinda canablistic at times.

Sick bird flys by, keels over, and you have several of the 10 birds checking things out....

That's pretty heavy interaction, if a bit one-sided.

We all want things our way. I do too.

But, we have to share this planet, a little bit.

Controlling diesease - if only slowing down it's spread a little bit - is a good thing, and something we all should look into.

There aren't boogie monsters under _every_ rock.

--->Paul

But the GOVERNMENT is NOT going to stop or slowdown anything. It is up to us as flock owners to care for our chickens and be mindful of risks to others. We do not need the government to police us.

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Very true as I just sent in for the 4th year my Premise ID. No biggy.

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My chickens are currently confined..but with better fencing they will be ranging on my place. Wid birds love "free food" and will come in as you leave to help eat your poultry's feed. They can and do leave bird lice and droppings as well as their saliva in your water sources. They can spread disease in any of these modes.

A note on government..government is people, when you have good ones that work FOR YOU you have good government and no fear of their polices. When you have people in government that work for themselves(power,control,money) they are not working for you and need watched/resisted and removed. I do not believe in NAIS. I do believe in common sense. I do believe I am intelligent enought to grow my own food(animal or plant) and resent a government that feels I need taken care of(banning the use of some oils for frying comes to mind)..if I am STUPID enough to endanger others then the government needs to protect them from me(latest pistachio scare comes to mind); otherwise they need to MTOB.
But to the topic at hand, the chicks would have stayed at the store. I can do that; I have turkeys,chickens and ducks along with several incubators nearing hatch.

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Cindy says, "Yes it is!!! The USDA can't handle food outbreaks now and they have no right to know anything about the food I raise for myself, period!"

No one, 'cept God, can prevent contamination of food and disease in livestock. The USDA has acted quickly to contain problems in our food. We have the safest food in the world. Perhaps you are looking at this backwards. The government isn't interested in the food you raise for yourselves, but they are trying to create a systen that can warn you about food or animals you got from others.

Bird Flu is kind of new. No one knew ahead of time how far or fast it would spread. A lot of testing was done in Alaska because migratory birds from Asia mix with migratory birds that visit your back yard. So far it hasn't spred that way. It has spread by small flock owners buying and selling in local farm markets.

This thread was started by someone that was buying chicks from a local Feed Mill. I'll bet the folks that bought those chickens have no idea where they came from. Just because there aren't any chickens in the neighbor's yard is no guarentee that poultry disease won't pay you a visit.

If one of the dozens of chicken breeders that sell to one of a handfull of companies that sell nationally were to discover a disease problem, that disease could be spread into hundreds of farms in quick order. Do you want to know about it right away or do you want to spread it thru your community, county fair, local streams and farmers markets?

Do you really think that the only thing stopping thre government from taxing your chickens is that they need your address and inventory of your chickens? Come on. You really are not that important to anyone.

Bird Flu can be spread by infected birds contaminating the soil or water. The most common method of spred is along trade routes. People that buy from others and people that sell to others. Several countries have prohibited free range flocks because of the scientificly proven increase in risk.

Did they ask for proof of ID? If not then Jane/John Doe 123 mainstreet anytown use 12345 is my address

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Did some reading. I don't think I'm too worried about this, especially if chicks come from reputable hatchery. The U.S. is a different culture and different way of raising chickens than China.

http://www.nationalchickencouncil.co...tail.cfm?id=21