registering chicks?

A person is only as free as they choose to be. Ignore this nonsense, if it really bothers you all to not be in compliance move somewhere it doesn't exist.

"No intelligent man has any respect for an unjust law." Robert Heinlein

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thought some might enjoy that. Or do what mayor daily of chicago wants to do, put an extra tax on the wrappers and boxes that fast food places use. Same concept as cigarette tax, right?

They sure do! We have OEG bantams, the oldest are over 5 years old.

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With all the talk about da gooberment it is essential to understand what it truly is and the purpose it serves.

Our Enemy, the State - by Albert Jay Nock (1935)
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"There appears to be a curious difficulty about exercising reflective thought upon the actual nature of an institution into which one was born and one's ancestors were born. One accepts it as one does the atmosphere; one's practical adjustments to it are made by a kind of reflex. One seldom thinks about the air until one notices some change, favourable or unfavourable, and then one's thought about it is special; one thinks about purer air, lighter air, heavier air, not about air. So it is with certain human institutions. We know that they exist, that they affect us in various ways, but we do not ask how they came to exist, or what their original intention was, or what primary function it is that they are actually fulfilling; and when they affect us so unfavourably that we rebel against them, we contemplate substituting nothing beyond some modification or variant of the same institution. Thus colonial America, oppressed by the monarchical State, brings in the republican State; Germany gives up the republican State for the Hitlerian State; Russia exchanges the monocratic State for the collectivist State; Italy exchanges the constitutionalist State for the "totalitarian" State.

"It is interesting to observe that in the year 1935 the average individual's incurious attitude towards the phenomenon of the State is precisely what his attitude was towards the phenomenon of the Church in the year, say, 1500. The State was then a very weak institution; the Church was very strong. The individual was born into the Church, as his ancestors had been for generations, in precisely the formal, documented fashion in which he is now born into the State. He was taxed for the Church's support, as he now is for the State's support. He was supposed to accept the official theory and doctrine of the Church, to conform to its discipline, and in a general way to do as it told him; again, precisely the sanctions that the State now lays upon him. If he were reluctant or recalcitrant, the Church made a satisfactory amount of trouble for him, as the State now does. Notwithstanding all this, it does not appear to have occurred to the Church-citizen of that day, any more than it occurs to the State-citizen of the present, to ask what sort of institution it was that claimed his allegiance. There it was; he accepted its own account of itself, took it as it stood, and at its own valuation. Even when he revolted, fifty years later, he merely exchanged one form or mode of the Church for another, the Roman for the Calvinist, Lutheran, Zuinglian, or what not; again, quite as the modern State-citizen exchanges one mode of the State for another. He did not examine the institution itself, nor does the State-citizen today.

"One of my friends said to me lately that if the public-utility corporations did not mend their ways, the State would take over their business and operate it. He spoke with a curiously reverent air of finality. Just so, I thought, might a Church-citizen, at the end of the fifteenth century, have spoken of some impending intervention of the Church; and I wondered then whether he had any better-informed and closer-reasoned theory of the State than his prototype had of the Church. Frankly, I am sure he had not. His pseudo-conception was merely an unreasoned acceptance of the State on its own terms and at its own valuation; he showed himself no more intelligent, and no less, than the whole mass of State-citizenry at large.

"It appears to me that with the depletion of social power going on at the rate it is, the State-citizen should look very closely into the essential nature of the institution that is bringing it about. He should ask himself whether he has a theory of the State, and if so, whether he can assure himself that history supports it. He will not find this a matter that can be settled off-hand; it needs a good deal of investigation, and a stiff exercise of reflective thought. He should ask, in the first place, how the State originated, and why; it must have come about somehow, and for some purpose. This seems an extremely easy question to answer, but he will not find it so. Then he should ask what it is that history exhibits continuously as the State's primary function. Then, whether he finds that "the State" and "government" are strictly synonymous terms; he uses them as such, but are they? Are there any invariable characteristic marks that differentiate the institution of government from the institution of the State? Then finally he should decide whether, by the testimony of history, the State is to be regarded as, in essence, a social or an anti-social institution?

"It is pretty clear now that if the Church-citizen of 1500 had put his mind on questions as fundamental as these, his civilization might have had a much easier and pleasanter course to run; and the State-citizen of today may profit by his experience." (Albert Jay Nock)

What a crock ! ... They won't get any biz from me !

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When I look thru the HT Poultry section, I see plenty of questions about sick birds. When I search the 'net, I see recent outbreaks of poultry disease.
I don't want government intrusion into my life.
I do want the Feed Store to call me right away when one of the chick suppliers is found to have a disease. Plus I want compensated.
I guess I'd need to keep my receipt and the store's list of how many of each variety to prove I had some chicks of the variety in question.
This is the same Feed Store that I buy my feed tax free because I have a farming exemption on file there. It has my name, address and phonenumber, maybe more?

But let's lump in every complaint we have, ID checks at Bars, buying cigarettes, all taxes, crooked politicians, factory farming, overweight people and on and on. and get our dander up over a few chicks.

Did the OP ask the feed store what they were going to do with the info? Good chance it will be stuffed in a box and put in a pile somewhere never to be seen again.

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I live in central Maine area and it gets darn cold up here! My banties to great in the cold, they live in the barn and roost up in the rafters. The barn is really pretty open with the horse stall doors open all the time. They do great with no problems in our cold weather. (-20 degrees no prob!)

Once while cleaning the horse stall, in rained baby chicks! The banty hen had her nest up in the rafters! When they hatched they jumped or fell out of nest !

They have already started this.. I received a Census packet last week and according to the lawyer I talked to I have to fill it out completely.. Anyway in it it asks how much I made from a garden etc..
Now I'm told this is only for the Census, but I'll be danged if I can figure out why the they need to know if I had a garden or if I made any money from that garden...

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What will they do to you if you don't fill it out?

According to the lawyer I talked to it is $100 fine if I don't fill it out and $500 for every question I falsely fill out..

I knew before I talked to him that I had to give certain info, such as number of people in the home and if they were over or under 18, but this packet goes way beyond that..

They want to know what style of home I'm in, do I own or rent it, how many rooms...What the ..... Why would they need to know that.. it has nothing to do with the Census.. that is info used in taxation...

But,
I'm told that according to the Census policy that no info will be shared outside of the agency..

Yea right, I trust a government agency about as far as I can throw it.. which is not at all.. They are nothing but a bunch of beauracratic(sp) liars...

Anyway I will fill it out.. I won't lie, but will be as vague as possible.. if they call me I will force them to prove they need to know the info..

The lawyer also said I could use the 5thA if I choose, but I better be prepared for a fight.....

So what are my options.. Fill it out and move on is all I can figure

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$100?

That sounds like $100 well spent.

If that is all it takes to get out of it I will gladly shell out $100 to keep my privacy.

If it were that easy I would agree, but from my understanding they would just send some out to my place and get the answers in person.. and I can't stop them from coming onto my property because they are working for the Census department.. I was also told that if they have to get a police escort they will and I would be charged accordingly... So where do I draw the line..
IT's not worth taking a defensive stand over.. It's not worth someones life if things go south over this.. But I will continue to be leery over this info and will see if it shows up in other places, such as purposely misspelling certain things and see if it shows up in other locations in the future for instance spelling Mike as Myke.. I've done this before and it tells me where they got the info from..

I trust very few people and the governmenet even less.. They are nothing but a bunch of "legal thieves"

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Also I don't know if that $100 is per question like the $500 is.. This packet is like 38-40 pages. So that could get expensive...

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census?....I didn't receive anything in the mail....but then we have had our mailman loose our mail acouple of times...maybe they should be sent certified mail....oh by the way...I only check my mail once year....or some such....if it isn't certified they can't prove that I got it.....just athought

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Oh so true...lol

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Funny that happens a lot around here too...you know the postal service in rural areas can be a bit spotty!

If you do fill it out I would spell really badly and use a crayon!

Or use a pen that writes badly and only puts in down every so often...lol

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I would be inclined to say keep the chicks, and keep the "change" while you are at it.

The fine is 100 bucks. However, "the Bureau also notes that no one has been penalized for failing to file in the past. The fine is more of a psychological reminder of the importance of the census than a source of income for the government."

Here is a great source: http://www.usconstitution.net/consttop_cens.html

The bastards somehow missed us last time as I'm sure they will this time too. I've been really tempted to respond that I'm a Practicing Jedi Master who lives with 4 wives, 48 kids, 3 gerbils, 9 goats, 23 chickens, and enjoys long walks on the beach with my 73 cockatoos and 69 young nubile perky female apprentices.

I really enjoyed the crayon suggestion

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