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Old 03/19/09, 08:10 AM
 
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Kinda off topic, but......

Here's a poem I like, English I think from WW1.

Every Man Should have a Rifle


So I sit and write and ponder, while the house is deaf and dumb,
Seeing visions "over yonder" of the war I know must come.
In the corner - not a vision - but a sign for coming days
Stand a box of ammunition and a rifle in green baize.
And in this, the living present, let the word go through the land,
Every tradesman, clerk and peasant should have these two things at hand.

No - no ranting song is needed, and no meeting, flag or fuss -
In the future, still unheeded, shall the spirit come to us!
Without feathers, drum or riot on the day that is to be,
We shall march down, very quiet, to our stations by the sea.
While the bitter parties stifle every voice that warns of war,
Every man should own a rifle and have cartridges in store!

Henry Lawson

Good thought here.
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Old 03/19/09, 08:22 AM
 
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Takes thousands of rounds yearly to stay proficient? Sure seems there are lots of poor shooters here.
I guess it depends on what your definition of “proficient “ is.

In my case it’s either winning or placing in the top 3 or 4 shooters at our matches, for others it may mean managing to not drop their gun and keeping all their rounds on a silhouette at 7 yards.

They don’t draw from concealment, engage multiple targets from varying positions, shoot support hand only, engage targets while moving, and probably the closest thing they’ve done to low-light training/shooting is some intermittent cloud cover.

There’s a lot more that goes in to “proficiency” then lining up on a square range, popping off a few rounds “achieving” a group the size of a pie plate, and calling it “good” till next year.

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Old 03/19/09, 10:04 AM
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I have extra meds and alot of ammo.
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Old 03/19/09, 10:45 AM
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A question to those that have 'enough' ammo and practice on a regular schedule..... have any of you killed another human being? You think that when your stuff is threatened that it will be just like shooting that piece of paper or can off the fence post? You have no idea.... ask a vet whose training prepared him to kill how easy that first kill was.

I suppose you all think that knowing how to drive a car in a parking lot qualifies you for running in the Indy 500.... all I can say is he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
I have held two legged varmints, at gunpoint, with the hammer cocked. I told them, if you do anything else, my finger will squeeze... I meant it, and they knew I meant it. If it comes down to someone else, or myself, the answer is clear. I haven't taken any human life, but I've taken just about every other kind. I killed a possum just the night before last. My conscience tinged me a little, but I knew, from the location of the varmint, that it would have eaten from my flock during the night. I preempted that action. Anyone that knows me, knows if they come and ask, I'll give them anything they need. And, most know (at least hereabouts) that taking without asking is asking for a shortened lifespan.

I can't even contemplate how much blood I've shed.

Anyone who contemplates not being able to protect themselves and their families, shouldn't prep at all... no food, no guns or ammo, or anything else... for if they don't have a means to protect it, it'll be taken. Sheep die before It's been my observation the mere presence of a destructive device (firearm) will dissuade evil from approaching. Unless a person is high on drugs, a 12gauge shotgun being cycled, will stop them in their tracks.

My advice? Even if you don't think you "can" or "could", get them anyways... when you see your neighbor shot and his family being brutalized, and the evil-doers are headed to your house next, you might find them useful... if not to take out a few of them, to save yourself the torture. Personally, I'd rather torture the torturer a wee bit, 'fore I tortured myself or my family.
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Old 03/19/09, 10:50 AM
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I haven't shot and killed anyone but my wife has.With 12Ga. made one heck of a mess considering it was at about 2 foot.

big rockpile
BR... with a wife like that, and a box of buckshots, ya'll could hold off a small squad of zombies. Two foot is a wee bit close, for my tastes...
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Old 03/19/09, 02:27 PM
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It has nothing to do with paranoia. It is simply a matter of being prepared. I totally agree with that thought. It's better to have and not need it than to need it and not have.
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Old 03/19/09, 03:37 PM
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Ammo and beans just may be the currency of the future.
better store all you can.
Just my 2 cents
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Old 03/19/09, 06:50 PM
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storing ammo

A question to those that have 'enough' ammo and practice on a regular schedule..... have any of you killed another human being? You think that when your stuff is threatened that it will be just like shooting that piece of paper or can off the fence post? You have no idea.... ask a vet whose training prepared him to kill how easy that first kill was.

I am not slamming this post but a lot of us who were in the military got off the plane and stepped right into battle ,we didnt even see the enemy half the time when we were on patrol and if you did I know my self didnt take time to worry about if there was a difference in shooting paper or a person it was for survival and hopes you might make it home, Those thoughts may run thru your mind in a post but not in combat or that was my experience, also when I see kids going into schools and shooting other students for absolutley nothing it doesnt appear that shooting paper or cans is different than shooting another person ?When I see in the news on a daily basis people being shot ,stabbed ,beaten and killed for a pack of cigarettes,a bottle of booze ,drugs, or a car to drive on a joy ride you better be prepared to do whatever you have to do because todays society isnt the one I grew up in, and it may be nice to have a heart todays society doesnt seem to have much of a conscience so you may have to put yours aside or keep that in mind . Just an opinion and sorry about getting off the storing ammo question.
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