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03/16/09, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Cabin Fever
Many individuals I know, including myself, take the responsibility of concealed carry so seriously that we do a lot of practice. It is very common to use..on average...of a box of .45acp or more per month. That's 600 rounds per year. Many use a 1000 rds per year, just in practice.
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Yep, a defensive rifle class (2 days, weekend) the course of fire routinely calls for 1100 rounds rifle, and 300 pistol. This is why I reload as these kind of round counts get expensive in a hurry. Trigger time is good, it keeps the senses and skills sharp.
Of course this is really neither here nor there as people don't have to "justify" to anybody why they have X amount of ammo or guns, or what type firearms they choose to own.
The "need" argument is largely a superficial one, unless of course homesteaders would be ok with someone telling them that they really only "need" X amount or type of livestock, garden space, acreage, outbuildings, guard dogs, etc, etc... Some of you likely have more livestock then I think you "need"...
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03/16/09, 05:47 PM
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I only used five shells in earnest in fifty years plus
It may take some thousands of rounds to be compent with a weapon. And over the past years I have burned thousands of rounds. But now me and my old 45 have been together for over 40 years I know where it is going to put the bullet, I do my job and it does its. Five bullets five hits four scum down, one I double tapped. Things I see most every night and unless you have been there you have no idea what I mean. No regrets they made the choice it was just the wrong one.
And I never keep the ammo in the weapon for over 60 days it is the first used in practice. I have a round that me and the weapon likes and use no other. I buy a case of 1,000 and when it is down to a couple of hundred I reorder.
As for the tin hat I don't tell you what to wear what gives you the right to tell me to take my tin foil hat off some people think they are the experts.
If twenty five angry people show up at the gate, if we get 10 or 12 with out being hit the rest will probably run. But since the sheriff spent three days trying to find me and had my address and you can not google or mapquest me as the county road just doesn;t show up on maps really don;t think the punks will get here. By the time they decide to leave the city they will not have the gasoline to get here.
If it makes you feel safer to have thousands of rounds of ammo and dozens of weapons stock piled by all means pile them up. If you plan on using them to barter with remember you are arming someone out side of your group and getting shot with ammo you just traded is not a great idea. Personally I am comfortable with my tin foil hat, four large guard dogs, they let me know when anything is comming and my expertise with the weapon I carry. No I will not step away from the computer, well I have been barred from Ebay by the wife but she lets me come here and a couple of wood working sites. Have a happy day and pray none of us ever need a weapon. David
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03/16/09, 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Wayne02
Yep, a defensive rifle class (2 days, weekend) the course of fire routinely calls for 1100 rounds rifle, and 300 pistol. This is why I reload as these kind of round counts get expensive in a hurry. Trigger time is good, it keeps the senses and skills sharp.
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Agreed, the last defensive carbine class I took we averaged around 500-550 rounds a day, and a hundred or so for handgun per day doing transitions.
I try to take a couple classes a year and I shoot 2-3 matches a month, the ammo burns up pretty quick. IDPA matches alone equal about 200 rounds a month. I find that around 500-1000 rounds a month of handgun and I can stay pretty proficient, skip a week or two and I get rusty. Last year I spent close to $1200 just for .45ACP components and there's just no way I could afford to shoot factory ammo.
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03/16/09, 07:46 PM
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You would be surpised how many can be held off by one person long as its Small Arms.
Was looking at a Rifle the other dayHad never shot it.Guy says take a shot,seen Fence Post 100 yards.Ok I know messing up a Good Post.
No I think I'll just keep what I feel like.
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03/16/09, 08:24 PM
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Originally Posted by texican
Shadow, you've been exceedingly lucky. Let's say, after a national emergency hits the country, and you find there are 26 bad people... and you only have 25 bullets... what do you do?
Or, tptb decide only officials certified by them should have access to ammunition, and you're not one of them. The box of shells you have must last you forever. What do you do?
I'd much rather have a couple cases of ammunition and not need it, than to need it, and not have it.
Get a fun loving smooth talking party in charge, with a history of loving slaves and hating free men, who champion common sense laws (which convert freemen into slaves), that want to ban firearms, and tax ammunition into oblivion.... and what do I do? You tell me I can't have something tomorrow, that's legal today, and I'll go out and get some more.
When I practice, it's usually several boxes at least... or a brick of .22's. I'd be plained scared of having the same bullets in my magazine for years at a time... I might go through a box, just sighting in a new round... and then another getting a 3, 4, or 500 yard zero marked in on a scope.
I store ammo for varmints, two legged and four legged, for game animals, for domestic animals, and zombies. Laugh if you will, but remember, when the zombies are munching on your brains,because of a politically correct stance on self defense and ammo storage, I'll still be shooting...and shooting...and shooting...
Oh, and I also keep some around for barter goods... folks that store gold for hard times might find life difficult if they don't keep some bullets around... let's see, that'll be a one ounce gold coin for this box of 30-30 shells. Until, I have exhausted my barter good bullets, and then no amount of gold will get the rest...
And, I buy as an investment. How are ya'll's 401K's a doing lately??? My ammo purchases last December have appreciated 40% in just three months. Let the socialists get all safetyized and tax or ban the goodies, and my investments should triple or more... Every single firearm and now ammo purchase I've ever made, has appreciated in value... some up to 300%, better than gold or silver... for they have real value in the real world...
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This is the only weapon you need for zombies:
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03/16/09, 10:11 PM
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ammo/supplies
It sounds to me like if 25 guys show up at your gate you arent as remote and removed from society as you thought you were and all the punks from town already know where you live, as far as getting the first 12 and the rest running you may be in trouble because then after all that shooting then the remaining 13 will probably more than ever feel you have something worth fighting for and you may be in for the real fight then , the 4 dogs will only be good target practice for someone so that isnt a threat only a warning device is all and a sign where you are or others may be to an experienced scout, so you may have to reconsider your position . I know from being in the military myself if 25 guys are in a fight you need to eliminate all 25,
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03/16/09, 11:10 PM
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This is the only weapon you need for zombies:
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Oh, I have some good deheading machetes... for when the bullets run out. 
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03/17/09, 07:52 AM
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Well, shadow, I agree with you.
One thing you forgot to mention-everyone heading for the hills, or wherever they concieve their safe spot to run to--running with babies, grandparents, sick family--plus 5'000# of food, guns ' ammo-waking in many instances.
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03/17/09, 07:59 AM
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Shadow, much too much experience and common sense applied. You should know from the Y2K thing that's not how people like to think. I worry more about being in shape to walk long distances and knowing landmarks and roads.
See any compounds in recent history make a stand and have a good outcome?
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03/17/09, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by texican
Oh, and I also keep some around for barter goods... folks that store gold for hard times might find life difficult if they don't keep some bullets around... let's see, that'll be a one ounce gold coin for this box of 30-30 shells. Until, I have exhausted my barter good bullets, and then no amount of gold will get the rest...
And, I buy as an investment. How are ya'll's 401K's a doing lately??? My ammo purchases last December have appreciated 40% in just three months. Let the socialists get all safetyized and tax or ban the goodies, and my investments should triple or more... Every single firearm and now ammo purchase I've ever made, has appreciated in value... some up to 300%, better than gold or silver... for they have real value in the real world...
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Oh boy can I agree with that one. Talk about appreciation. Everything in my safe has doubled in value in the last two years.
I have a substantial ammo cache, but I don't plan on shooting it all myself. When a pretty lady at work mentions learning how to shoot, I vollunteer and add that I'll bring the ammo. When taking someone out to shoot, it's not a surprise to go through 2-3 hundred rounds of ammo, just letting them try out different guns. A thousand rounds of 9mm is just 4-5 trips to the range. That's not much is it?
A second factor is that I reload, which I enjoy, so it is almost theraputic for me to make ammo. Since I cast my own bullets, costs are so low that I don't even bother to track them. And, don't forget that ammo is the end-all in barter items. No matter how well you've stocked, you're likely to want to trade for something eventially, and what is more marketable than ammo? Maybe you don't see the need to stock much, but you may change you mind once it comes to bartering time!
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03/17/09, 04:45 PM
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personally I think a breeding pair of goats is more useful than a whole bunch of ammo.
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03/17/09, 08:50 PM
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personally I think a breeding pair of goats is more useful than a whole bunch of ammo.
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If the shtf, if you don't have bullets, someone that does, will have the breeding pair of goats.
Heck, even right now, while the flowers are blooming, and society still exists, if you don't have a firearm, With Bullets, the goats will belong to someone else... could be two legged, could be four legged. Harsh words, or shouting out that "I'm a nice person" won't stop bad people or hungry dogs.
Personally, I have the guns & ammo, And breeding goats... cover thy bases...
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03/17/09, 09:27 PM
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A question to those that have 'enough' ammo and practice on a regular schedule..... have any of you killed another human being? You think that when your stuff is threatened that it will be just like shooting that piece of paper or can off the fence post? You have no idea.... ask a vet whose training prepared him to kill how easy that first kill was.
I suppose you all think that knowing how to drive a car in a parking lot qualifies you for running in the Indy 500.... all I can say is he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
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03/17/09, 09:42 PM
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I wish I was in a place like texican. Far away even if you Google fu. But I am here in the NYC and Philly quadrant. AKA: Springsteen Country. Where can I go? How much can I take? Will I be able to drive the roads out of here when the time comes? Will I leave my mother-in-law; sons and families behind? Can I possibly load and take my stocks? The answer to all of these questions is: NO!
There are gangs less than three miles from here. Bloods or whatever. How long will it take for them to come here. The area in which I live is prime for the gangs. There have been a lot of robbries here.
I'll follow the: PREP; STOCK and SILENCE method for now. Look at Emergency Preparedness and Survival for my thread. I don't broadcast my stocks wherther they are edible or not. To each his own. You do yours and I'll do mine, thank you very much. NJ Rich 
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03/17/09, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by EastCoaster
A question to those that have 'enough' ammo and practice on a regular schedule..... have any of you killed another human being? You think that when your stuff is threatened that it will be just like shooting that piece of paper or can off the fence post? You have no idea.... ask a vet whose training prepared him to kill how easy that first kill was.
I suppose you all think that knowing how to drive a car in a parking lot qualifies you for running in the Indy 500.... all I can say is he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
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I haven't shot and killed anyone but my wife has.With 12Ga. made one heck of a mess considering it was at about 2 foot.
big rockpile
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03/18/09, 03:54 PM
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Originally Posted by big rockpile
I haven't shot and killed anyone but my wife has.With 12Ga. made one heck of a mess considering it was at about 2 foot.
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See, she only needed one round! 
I personally want enough ammo to be able to defend my stockpile. There are people just as crazy as I am that might want to take what I have. I could not sleep at night with only a couple hundred rounds in the house. But that is me, perhaps you can hit three people with each round....
Heck, I might have more in my car than some people have in their house! 
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03/18/09, 08:34 PM
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Takes thousands of rounds yearly to stay proficient? Sure seems there are lots of poor shooters here.
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03/19/09, 02:53 AM
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I will die a Marine.....
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Originally Posted by EastCoaster
A question to those that have 'enough' ammo and practice on a regular schedule..... have any of you killed another human being? You think that when your stuff is threatened that it will be just like shooting that piece of paper or can off the fence post? You have no idea.... ask a vet whose training prepared him to kill how easy that first kill was.
I suppose you all think that knowing how to drive a car in a parking lot qualifies you for running in the Indy 500.... all I can say is he who lives by the sword, dies by the sword.
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Well I guess then, that I will die a Marine....
One has to be ever vigilant and well armed.. Those paper targets, tin cans, fence posts, and road signs can be some sneaky varmits!!!
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03/19/09, 07:26 AM
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I haven't shot and killed anyone but my wife has.With 12Ga. made one heck of a mess considering it was at about 2 foot.
big rockpile
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