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02/03/09, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by snoozy
Are you using your bullets in any way that you would not want them to be traceable?
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Really, I was thinking the same. Whats the big deal? It will help solve crimes in ways that is not done today.
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02/03/09, 04:56 PM
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I just wish everybody (mostly the liberals) felt as strongly about the 2nd as they do the 1st. Just wishing.............
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02/03/09, 05:28 PM
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Lately we have been hearing a lot about the extra tax on bullets for guns but also now we have heard about the companies putting a scan bar onto the actual bullets so they can be traced to the buyer. When your purchase them at the store you will sign for them..then they can be traced. Have spoken with others within the family and have gotten different thoughts on this but personally I believe it is one small step into invasion of your privacy..What do you all think about this ??
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I think if you arent shooting something you arent supposed to, then what is the big problem with this?
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02/03/09, 05:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Home Harvest
It's not what we are doing with them, it's the cost. Next thing you know it'll be $5.00 per bullet and noone will be able to afford the cost. (Or is that that real plan?)
Texican will have to watch the fines for his contraband bullets. They will get testy about rolling your own in the NWO.
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Cris Rock does a skit on if bullets were 5K a bullet we would have less crime. I would shoot you but I can't afford the bullet. You better be happy I can't get a loan for a bullet or you would be dead. Something to think about. I can't see the harm in it if your using your bullets for legal purpose.
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02/03/09, 05:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Shygal
I think if you arent shooting something you arent supposed to, then what is the big problem with this?
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When they put anything on a bullet then it costs more!!!!!!! But that will be alright if you are not going to use a gun at all to protect your self or hunt with the bullets that are marked and cost a lot more. Those that do are going to find a lot of expense to stay accurate with them since you can't stay accurate without firring some for target practice.
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02/03/09, 06:08 PM
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Well, I'm not doing anything illegal, so I guess I should not mind having the microchip inserted.
The point about this proposed legislation is that it really has little, if anything, to do with stopping crime. A couple of guys have got the patent on a machine that can encode the bullets. They are the biggest proponents of this law.
The only people that will be affected by this type of legislation are law-abiding people, because, obviously, the criminals really don't give a rat's patoot. But, hey, if we can control the law-abiding people, we're halfway there.
Let the shambling begin.
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02/04/09, 07:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Shygal
I think if you arent shooting something you arent supposed to, then what is the big problem with this?
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I suppose a person could use the same logic about the Patriot's Act wiretapping...."Hey, if you have nothing to hide, what's the big deal?"
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02/04/09, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Helena
so you mean to tell me...I need to destroy all of my "old" ammunition for the guns ?? Like that is going to happen to everyone across the country..right ?? How did this get as far as it did ? It's like the little frog in the pot of boiling water..he never even noticed he was getting boiled to death..scarey..??!!
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Obama is staffing his administration with who's who in the gun control lobby. One of the questions to potential appointee's is "Do you, or a family member own firearms?".
Hillary will work closely with the Useless Nations who is pushing a worldwide ban on small arms. How did it get as far as it did? One innocuous step at a time that seemingly on the surface wouldn't affect many and claimed as "common sense" legislation.
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02/04/09, 08:16 AM
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Originally Posted by starjj
Cris Rock does a skit on if bullets were 5K a bullet we would have less crime. I would shoot you but I can't afford the bullet. You better be happy I can't get a loan for a bullet or you would be dead. Something to think about. I can't see the harm in it if your using your bullets for legal purpose.
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Right now a 20 ga slug costs me $2.80 per shot and some are now at $5.00 per shot. Obama is on record for wanting a 300% tax on ammo. That is the problem. We cannot see the harm. Not to worry though. We will.
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02/04/09, 08:20 AM
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I can hear ithe screaming now! The Obama ammo tax and the higher cost of ammo due to the microchipping will result in the rich being the only people who can afford ammo. The "poor" and their public interest groups will scream that it;s not fair that only the rich can afford ammo...what about us poor folk!?!?!? We need a welfare program to provide us with the same things the rich have...like ammo.
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02/04/09, 08:27 AM
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Amen to Glen A. Write, call, e-mail your congressman!
Yet again another knee-jerk reaction to a problem without thinking it out.
Next it'll be high powered bows or dart guns. Or, God forbid, making your own guns. What a black market!
More laws when the root of the problem is not being addressed.
Remember the old adage, that guns don't kill people, people kill people.
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02/04/09, 08:32 AM
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When I lived in Maryland they had a law from year 2000 requiring all guns sold (I don't recall if it was limited to handguns only) provide a bullet fired from the gun for "Ballistic Fingerprinting" to the Maryland State Police. When I moved south 4 years ago I don't think they had solved any crimes.
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02/04/09, 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by snoozy
Are you using your bullets in any way that you would not want them to be traceable?
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I might use them in a way that the animal rights freaks wouldn't agree with... hmm, put down animal myself and drag it into the woods (MY woods) for disposal, or pay possibly hundreds of dollars depending on species of farm animal, to have animal put down "humanely" and disposed of...
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02/04/09, 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Shygal
I think if you arent shooting something you arent supposed to, then what is the big problem with this?
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See above post
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02/04/09, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Graystone
When I lived in Maryland they had a law from year 2000 requiring all guns sold (I don't recall if it was limited to handguns only) provide a bullet fired from the gun for "Ballistic Fingerprinting" to the Maryland State Police. When I moved south 4 years ago I don't think they had solved any crimes.
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IIRC that law has "sunsetted" because it cost to much to operate and hadn't solved a single crime in the 5 years or so that it was in effect.
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02/04/09, 09:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Shygal
I think if you arent shooting something you arent supposed to, then what is the big problem with this?
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2 simple questions for you.
When was the last time you had to register or get a liscense for your Freedom of Speech?
When was the last time you had to go through a background check before you could speak freely?
As a firearm owner I've had to submit to all of these, just to avail myself of my 2A Right.
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