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Old 02/04/09, 01:32 AM
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Ah yes, when the towns and villages outlawed those boilers, they were part of the government plan to squash the little guy and help out big business.

Probably decided at the same meeting where Monsanto and Tyson told the government to outlaw raw milk, too.
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Old 02/04/09, 01:40 AM
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if you can claim they are nothing but smog machines, i can claim they are being outlawed for the benefit of big business.
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Old 02/04/09, 02:49 AM
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We lived in a place with a retrofit outdoor wood burner. It used baseboard heaters and heat exchangers stuck to the underside of the floor on the first floor.
I was totally unimpressed with the whole thing.
Used far too much wood. The house was always cold. I noticed the people that own the place have since abandoned it for LP.
The only way I would ever put one of those things in is if I was building a house and could pour cement over heating coils in the floor.
Running hot water to a heat exchanger in an all ready existing forced air furnce might work better.
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Old 02/04/09, 06:09 AM
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This is designed for a trailer, but might be adaptable to your situation if you could run a return duct in a crawl space.

www.outsidewoodheater.com
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Old 02/04/09, 08:36 AM
 
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There are outdoor wood furnaces that aren't boilers. Type outside wood heater into a search engine. They are quite a bit cheaper than the boiler types. I'm not sure what their like to use though.
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Old 02/04/09, 08:42 AM
 
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The cities and townships that have outlawed those outside wood boilers have a different view than those that praise its virtues.
They didn't outlaw burning wood that is too wet, they outlawed the heater themselves.
Not always though. Some were carefull in allowing specific types operated in certain ways.

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A short stack won't, by design, pull/draw like a tall chimney.
That's not the issue, it's plume loft. It helps tremendously if you get the chimney up over the height of nearby roofs. This helps keep the smoke up and over people, particularly the neighbors.

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All wood boilers that operate, by design, at temperatures below 200 degrees F (many at below 150 degrees) suffer from incomplete combustion.The relatively cool water surounds the fire chamber allowing unburned gasses up the chimney.
That is absolutely true when talking about cheap units. However, when you get into the expensive gasification units, it's no longer so true. Yes, the water jacket itself is still a thermodynamically cold encasement. The brick lined combustion chamber runs at a much higher temperature though, so combustion is much more complete. This means those units don't smoke nearly as much.

That's why states like Maine, Maryland and others have language allowing for clean burning units, and have lists of units that are approved in the states.

Now local jurisdictions have less resources than the states, and have much more direct contact with the complaints. So many times they simply ban them to end the flood of nuisance complaints they receive and have to deal with.
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Old 02/04/09, 08:57 PM
 
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Also outdoor wood burners allow you to burn wood that would be burnt in a brush pile.
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Old 02/04/09, 09:12 PM
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We have one, my parents have one, and my brother has one and we all love them. We got ours when we built our house 8 years ago. My husband installs them and the one we have would now cost somewhere in the neighborhood of $8000.00
In the coldest of winter here we only have to fill it twice each day.
The only drawback is if the electric goes out like it did here last week we do need a backup heat source but it could be run with a generator.
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Old 02/04/09, 09:51 PM
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We heat over 6000 sf with a Central Boiler OWB. We load it 2x a day with hardwoods - whole logs. It smokes for a few minutes when it is loaded but most of the time it has less smoke then my neighbors fp or our fp or wood stove. We love saving 9k a year in propane bills. It heats 9 zones plus our hot water and its carbon neutral. We are not using fossil fuels. Ours is located 130' from our house. Sometimes you can smell the wood - sometimes not. Its never been a nuisance smell. We won't burn it in spring or summer because its not a natural time to smell wood burning and everyones windows will be open. We estimate we will use about 15 cords of wood. The only time I have seen black nuisance smoke from it is when we put some bad - green - pine in it.
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