Epa Proposed Livestock Tax
 

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http://www.alfafarmers.org/headlines....phtml?id=5407

..."MONTGOMERY, Ala.— A new proposal by the Environmental Protection Agency would devastate Alabama’s multi-million dollar livestock industry and cause food prices to escalate, according to officials with the Alabama Farmers Federation, the state’s largest agricultural organization."...

..."According to U.S. Department of Agriculture figures, any farm or ranch with more than 25 dairy cows, 50 beef cattle or 200 hogs emits more than 100 tons of carbon equivalent per year, and thus would need to obtain a permit under the proposed rules. More than 90 percent of U.S. dairy, beef and pork production would be affected by the proposal. Mobley said the figure could be even higher for Alabama.

Permit fees would vary from state to state, but EPA sets a “presumptive minimum rate” for fees. For 2008-2009, the rate is $43.75 per ton of emitted greenhouse gases. According to AFBF, the proposed fee would mean annual assessments of $175 for each dairy cow, $87.50 for each head of beef cattle and $20 for each hog."...

not that I am for this but.... it would be good for small farms and the local products trend.

Mega farms are all for this, it's a means to destroy the small framer, not hobby farmers. A "fart tax" boy is our system out of control....Topside

And this is the government that some want to run our health care, if I pass gas should there be a tax on it. Don't worry the government is here to rescue us. Soon be looking for the fat food tax, and then do not worry sooner or later all well be undone.

In our great country, it's ok to make a daily trip to the grocery or mall, and waste fuel, but our food supply needs to be taxed. Meat prices need to go up, seriously.

More info:

http://www.agweb.com/Blogs/BlogPost....7-cf960cf43054

New taxation ideas will only be on the rise, thanks to bailouts.

Please follow the attached link and register your complaint before the 28th.

http://www.stopepa.com

It only takes a minute, I was the 13,367th signer.

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who's going to pay the taxes on the hundreds of thousands of deer and other wildlife?

How are they going to know you have animals?
 

At the risk of starting another NAIS broohaha, which I don't mean to do nor do I intend to participate in, I am wondering, how will the government know how many animals any particular farmer has? How will they know how much to assess that farmer?

You don't suppose the government would use NAIS information to find out, do you?

Tom in TN

So when they tax the US farmers out of business..where are we going to get our food from?



China? Scary thought

IF the American People let this kind of crap happen , there will not be any farmers and of course no cheep food, if you can find it.
Ya'll that voted fer them Liberal scum man ya'll are crazy

Lots of un-employed folks ready to grab a clipboard, a govt. paycheck, and fan out in your hometown. I will send a complaint, thanks for the site. Sad when so many citizens 80% said no to rescue plans and bailouts, and now bailout mania is a weekly occurance. I'm just a hobby farmer with a bit of common sense left....Enough said.

It wouldn't matter if McCain or Obama were elected. Both believe in the farce that is called global warming. And that is where this comes from.

How do you figure? Any farmer-rancher I know would have to go out of business if he had to pay $87.50 tax per cow. I don't care what size the farm is, mega or mini, that would be prohibitive. :mad: The American Farm Bureau has come out strongly against this tax.

Between grain prices and hay prices, or diesel prices and seed prices and fertilizer prices, the beef farmers are already in deep doo-doo. Add $87.50 per head and we will soon be bailing out the farmers!

Assuming you want to eat.

I have seen entire herds disappear here over the past 18 months. About grilling season next year you won't be able to buy steak!

Last week, I sold some feeder calves that I purchased last spring to put on pasture. Simply figuring initial cost vs sale price, I lost $40 per head. This doesn't take into account the value of my pasture , vet bills, and interest on the investment. I don't need any more good deals like that. Do you suppose I can get in line with Ford and GM. :banana02: And then the EPA wants another $87.50??? I don't think so. I will let the grass grow, at least no greenhouse gas tax .:nana:

Last week I listened to a radio show featuring a American Farm Bureau rep. He explained that huge dairies, and huge beef growers would just set up agreements with processesor and pass on the added costs to the customer. Smaller dairymen and cattlemen would no have this luxury and would be forced to comply. Regardless the program still in the planning stages and stinks in more ways then one. Let us hope it dies in committee....I'm no fan of Alex Jones, but the hour long radio program explaining this new govt. idea is probably accessible on his website.....Topside.

Not to mention that this is a PETA party. I am sure that they are one of the prime movers for this legislation.

God help us. Between the Anthropogenic Global Warmistsas, The Environmentalistas, and the Health & Safety Nuts, we, the people, are our own worst enemy.

Whatever happened to freedom?

This might encourage vegetarianism and lessen the negative effects of the meat industry - sounds like something I would support.

This rule is put forth by a Bush administration appointed EPA. Now tell me how one is better than the other.

As I understand this it is an EPA proposal to tax anybody emitting over 100 ton of carbon a year. Besides livestock operations they could tax you if your house is large, watch out Al Gore, who knows what this would effect.

They've been trying to get set up to sell carbon credits, saying carbon is stored in no till farm ground and ironically properly managed pasture land. Sounds like another brilliant plan to me.

What I don't understand is how this will reduce greenhouse gases. Under this legislation, hospital, factories and other large buildings will likely qualify for a permit. So, if the hospital doesn't apply for the permit, will they shut it down? So, basically, the hospital/factory/farmer will be operating with the same emissions before and after applying for the permit, except now they will pay for a permit (tax). Sounds like just another way for the government to raise more money for whatever other schemes they have planned.

I don't buy the whole global warming nonsense anyway. I think it's just part of a natural cycle over centuries. I do believe that we should be as enviromentally responsible as possible but forest fires have been happening since the beginning of time and millions of buffalo burped and farted their way across the plains for centuries and the world seemed just fine.

Thanks for the tread to the stopepa. What a scary thought. I don't have any problem decreasing our milking herd to 25 cows. Of course that would mean no youngstock so I guess we'd have to go down to about 10. Funny... we'd be able to live off of that but there wouldn't be much surplus to send to the dairy. If we little guys take care of each other we'll be ok...let the rest of them buy from China. I'm thinking it won't be grade A Angus Beef. :cow:

What some are missing is that the bureaucracy grinds on irrespective of who is in charge. The Clean Air Act Amendments were passed in 1990. Since then the EPA and local air districts have been implementing provisions to reduce criteria pollutants (organic gases, oxides of nitrogen, oxides of sulfur, carbon monoxide, and particulate matter) and hazardous air pollutants.

Enter the great global warming swindle and court action and the EPA is now being forced to regulate greenhouse gas emissions. The bureaucracy grinds on.

There may have been global warming but it was not anthropogenic. We have been cooling now for some years so now the Warmistas have changed the cry to Global Climate Change.

It has never been about the environment. It has been about control. Get the lemmings moving in a herd so they buy into "the government will save us all."

All you need do is look at the proposed cure. Reduce burning fossil fuels. That has been the goal of environmentalists for nearly 40 years. That is also the cure for any future growth in our economy.

SO find a cave and get your 13 watt CF bulb. No heat. That is the world that Al Gore wants for you.

You're missing the point. This is not a cow tax. This is not a livestock tax. This is a tax on emissions. In the documents it specifies that they will also tax corn and other crop fields. This means all your food goes up in price. They also specify that it will apply to homes and apartments, to small businesses, etc. This is all about a power grab for more control by the EPA. Don't be so short sighted in your dogma.

By the way, today is the last day to leave comments in the Federal Registry. Go to this:

http://NoNAIS.org/2008/11/27/epa-mak...-grab-cow-tax/

to see how to do so if you are not sure. It is very important that you make your voice be heard.

Sad but true. New York's Gov. David Paterson's proposal to offset a looming budgetary short fall includes an 'obesity' tax:

"Sugared soft drinks will be taxed at the rate of 18 percent. "

http://gothamist.com/2008/12/15/pate...ld_raise_p.php


What's next???

Looks like people on the New York border will have a field day. Just run across the border and buy your soda there and bring it back. Buy it by the truckload and sell it to your friends and neighbors. You'll be making an 18% profit.

They'll just end up reducing the revenue they bring in with all those new taxes. Their governor just can't see that.

The average small farmer with acreage should be getting a check from the government not a new tax. :soap:

Trees and grass owned by the homesteader(read small farmer/livestock owner here if it applies)absorb carbon from the atmosphere in addition to the positive benefits of “carbon farming” by rotational grazing...the way I see it, the cities who live on top of each other and who's residence have little to no grass and trees should be paying the acreage owner a fee for covering their part of the greenhouse war.

Need to figure the calculations per acre of pasture and trees......then I want my check! ...Where is that "tongue in cheek" smiley?

Wait a minute ...if the government can't get everyone to agree to NAIS for fear of taxation.........maybe if they promise to pay us for each animal per acre that we register as a reward for doing our part on the carbon war.....there would be a line waiting to sign up. :soap: :nono: