Another hunting season is upon us...

hiswife · #21 10/17/08, 10:59 AM

we've hunted many times with dogs in Ohio, and legally ... crop protection is a big deal there, as long as you are there with the landowners permission. Nothing ----es a farmer off more than losing a combine's axle due to a goundhog tunneling.

my husband's dream hunting trip is to hunt boar with dogs and spear, mine is to hunt with Golden Eagles on horseback on the Mongolian Steppes. Both very primitive and other than falling off the horse or not being able to climb a tree quickly enough, no possibility of getting shot by a fellow hunter. We don't hunt with guns but wouldn't dream of stopping someone elses right to do so. It is the thoughtless hunters (and not necessarily the city-biys, what about the drunks?) that are the problem.

billooo2 · #22 10/17/08, 11:22 AM

We are over run with deer in this particular area. They are a constant road hazard. I hope the responsible people that I allow to hunt in my woods all get their limit!!!

jross · #23 10/17/08, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by highlands

Sadly, virtually every year one or more people are killed by hunters in our state. Often it's another hunter but recently it was a farmer sitting on his tractor, a man sitting in his living room, a berry picker, etc. A hunter who came up from MA just got off with a mere one year prison term for killing the berry picker. The one who killed the farmer only got a couple of years. They never found the one who killed the guy in his living room - a stray bullet came in through the wall during hunting season. Those are just some recent examples none of which include all the hunters who were shot by each other.

We need more protection for us non-hunters against the random murders done by hunters. It is murder - they must be held responsible for where their bullets goe. I don't care that it's hunting season, I still must work outdoors, do my farm chores, check my animals in the fields, logging must continue, etc. I live and work here. I can't just leave for four months of the year because they want to play with guns in the woods. Yes, our land is posted so nobody should be hunting without our permission within thousands of feet of our house. Yet they still do, often shooting from their vehicles which is illegal.

All this hunting with guns, arrows and other remote weapons isn't real sport. Real Sportsmen use a knife or bare hands to go after polar bears - that's where the true challenge lies. If you don't have polar bears locally, you can substitute grizzly bears, black bears or buck dear in rut but stick with the knife or bare hands. (Background for those who don't know: polar bears are known to hunt the hunter...)

This message brought to you by an animals rights activist who hasn't a clue.

Hunting is not a sport, hockey is a sport. Hunting is predation and how one predates is immaterial as long as the population of prolific prey animals is kept under control and within the carrying capacity of their habitat. The animal rights people down the road with their 9 horses on 2 1/2 acres do not realize how much they are detrimental to those horses, proving ignorance is bliss. The more efficient and quicker the death the better. So please get off your noble high horse. Hunting is way down on the list of dangerous pastimes, below badminton and fishing. Of course I realize that point is moot if one is on the receiving end of ammunition.

Btw; What gives you the right to use animals for your own pleasure? HSUS and PETA do not approve of your using animals for personal gain. I demand you turn them loose immediately and kill them through kindness..

Jennifer L. · #24 10/17/08, 03:53 PM

Yeah, so I went down to my further pasture to mow some second cutting for some silage bales for the cows. This is less than half a mile from my house, and 200 yards from where my cows are pasturing today. First thing I saw was the four wheeler tracks in the hay, next thing I saw was the shiny, new deer blind down by the woods. With great restraint I didn't run it down with the tractor the first time around with the mower. Second time around I got off the tractor and tore it down. I don't know what it cost but the twit paid something for it.

You can't see the back of that field from the road, and the round bales sitting in that field have been there since early last July with nothing else going on, so he thought he could get away with it. THAT'S the typical way I see hunters around here. I rent my place out for hunting to a neighbor, now, but the two fields nearest the house are off limits to everyone. There's a lot of hunters out there who totally ignore posted signs and never ask permission.

I let my neighbor hunt the place for the most part because he gets to be watch dog instead of me, so it generally saves me the aggravation and he gets to run them off instead of me.

**highlands** · #25 10/17/08, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by jross

This message brought to you by an animals rights activist who hasn't a clue.

Wow. You are the one without a clue. I'm not an animal rights activist. You need to learn to read and to do more research before you start making such statements. I'm a farmer. I have guns. I kill animals for food as well as to protect my livestock. What I don't like is the "sportsmen" yahoos who come out here into the sticks every fall and shoot their guns off all over the place endangering my life, my family's lives and the lives of my livestock. They have repeatedly killed my farm dogs. From what you write I get the idea you're one of those yahoos.

Quint · #26 10/17/08, 07:36 PM

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I always considered the bow a very ancient weapon, Im talking about wooden long bows. Not this high tech alloy bows of today.

Hey I at one time hunted with a bow I built myself and arrows I built myself with arrowheads I made myself. Guess that makes me "a real hunter" and better than everyone else. Well, except for some guy who runs around naked and beats the animals to death with his oversized genitalia.

Ugh. How tiresome is this never ending "I'm a "real" hunter because I kill my deer with "X"" argument. So your bow is better? The deer walks a few yards from you and you stick him with an arrow. Big deal. Are you somehow more skilled than the guy with a rifle who snipes one at 400 yards? All you had to do is sit there in a tree until the animal wandered by and you use the "skill" to hit a target feet away. The guy with the rifle had to figure wind, bullet drop, incline, even temperature and then manage to hold the rifle perfectly still and then carefully squeeze the trigger so as not to throw off the shot.

I've done both myself and frankly long distance shooting with a rifle is far more difficult that bowhunting. Do I care? No. If people enjoy hunting with a bow more power to them. If people enjoy hunting with a rifle more power to them. One isn't any better than the other and one isn't more of a hunter than the other. It's just silly macho posturing which is extremely annoying and makes hunters look like neanderthal idiots.

Bearfootfarm · #27 10/17/08, 09:21 PM

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just what is the average range with bow hunting?

Under 30 yds for most deer killed

Danaus29 · #28 10/17/08, 10:05 PM

hiswife, deer hunting with dogs is NOT legal anywhere in Ohio:
http://www.ohiodnr.com/wildlife/dow/...ting_deer.aspx

A Deer Hunter CANNOT do any of the following:

Hunt or take a deer with a shotgun capable of holding more than three shells. This means you may not hunt with a shotgun capable of holding more than three shells, unless it is plugged with a one-piece filler which limits the capacity of the gun to three shells. The filler must be such that it cannot be removed without disassembling the gun.

Hunt with any rifle other than a muzzleloading rifle .38 caliber or larger during the deer gun, the youth deer gun, the early muzzleloader hunts (Salt Fork Wildlife Area, Wildcat Hollow, and Shawnee State Forest), and the statewide muzzleloader seasons.

Hunt or take a deer with a gun or possess a loaded firearm while going to and from deer hunting during the deer gun, youth deer gun, and the statewide muzzleloader seasons, at anytime other than 1/2 hour before sunrise to sunset. NOTE: Muzzleloading firearms are considered unloaded when the cap is removed or priming powder is removed from the pan. See Concealed Carry information.

Carry a handgun while hunting deer during the early muzzleloader season (on designated areas), the statewide muzzleloader season, and archery season; have more than one firearm while hunting deer; carry a handgun concealed while hunting deer. See Concealed Carry information.

Use a muzzleloading handgun for deer hunting.

Hunt deer with a longbow having a draw weight of less than 40 pounds, or with a crossbow having a draw weight of less than 75 pounds or more than 200 pounds. Expandable and mechanical broadheads are legal. Poisoned or explosive arrows are illegal.

Carry a firearm while deer hunting with a longbow or crossbow. See Concealed Carry information.

Have attached to a longbow or crossbow any mechanical, electrical or electronic device capable of projecting a beam of light.

Use dogs to hunt deer. Leashed dogs may be used to track wounded deer.

Bandit · #29 10/17/08, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by radiofish

What about those hunters, that take deer by using a vehicle. I guess that those deer had a death wish, and comitted suicide by jumping in front of a vehicle.... One of my neighbors recently got a deer with his big steel bumper on his gas guzzling 4X4 truck...

I occasionally hunt, and it is to supplimnent the food supply. So I guess that someone way across on the other side of the country, can tell me what to do on my property?? They can define what is and what isn't a Sportsman/ Sportswoman, by the methods used to kill the animal????? In the past, I have offed nusance pests with a wristrocket slingshot. Is that gonna be allowed under those proposed arbitrary rules???

Sorry to disappoint you, but if I feel the need I am gonna grab a rifle chambered .30-06 Springfield or a 12 gauge shotgun! I am well aware of what is downrange, what my backstop is, and what I am firing at - at all times! To probally even scare you more, I even carry a large caliber CCW concealed weapon 90+% of the time, out in public!

Of course there are some folks, that I refuse to be near when they have a firearm!!!!
Hey this Marine Corps veteran is smart enough to know which end of the weapon that the bullet comes out of! And has a sense of self-preservation!! There is no such thing as an "accident" while in possession of a firearm, it is to be called a negligent discharge!! At the very least! I have had someone stupidly discharge a weapon near my foot at the shooting range, spraying me with gravel.. Now they wonder why I won't visit, or even go hunting with them again.

Pops2 - Does having a bayonet on my rifle count??? Yeah I know that Marines like to stick things with sharp objects... I am also wondering if you use an USMC KA-BAR combat knife while out stalking deer????

Radiofish
A SlingShot ? You are lucky , In Taxachusettes , The 2nd. home of the Liberal Loonies , possession of one will get You 2 1/2 to 5 yrs.
Bob
Ps.
A " Bean Blower " is also included ????

Quint · #30 10/17/08, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

In Taxachusettes , The 2nd. home of the Liberal Loonies , possession of one will get You 2 1/2 to 5 yrs.
Bob
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A " Bean Blower " is also included ????

Seriously? You're kidding aren't you?

jross · #31 10/18/08, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by highlands

Wow. You are the one without a clue. I'm not an animal rights activist. You need to learn to read and to do more research before you start making such statements. I'm a farmer. I have guns. I kill animals for food as well as to protect my livestock. What I don't like is the "sportsmen" yahoos who come out here into the sticks every fall and shoot their guns off all over the place endangering my life, my family's lives and the lives of my livestock. They have repeatedly killed my farm dogs. From what you write I get the idea you're one of those yahoos.

First, let me apologize for misreading your post as the wording appeared to right out of the PETA/HSUS playbook.
While not a farmer, I am a landowner in New Jersey, a piney, not a yahoo, and I agree with you about the "tourist" hunters from the cities and burbs. Our land is managed strictly for wildlife, not cattle, not for humans, except for my close friend and I to hunt on. Killing dogs during deer season is stupid because roaming dogs will move deer for you. I have shot dogs that were chasing deer in our frozen swamp as the dogs could stay on the ice while the deer exhausted, crash through it. Most times the dogs are from our animal rights friends up the road who feel letting dogs roam free off the measily 2-3 acres they own is the humane thing to do. My farmer neighbors and I have had our share of problems with "yahoos" and we always take care of such problems immediately legally or otherwise.

**highlands** · #32 10/18/08, 11:02 AM

Apology accepted and I retract calling you a yahoo.

Bandit · #33 10/20/08, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Quint

Seriously? You're kidding aren't you?

I wish I was

http://law.onecle.com/massachusetts/269/12.html

But Unfortunately as You can see , All the Loonie's are not on the Left Coast .

This Bill gets filed every year by My Rep .

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/st01/st01384.htm

Bob

Quint · #34 10/20/08, 03:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Bandit

I wish I was

http://law.onecle.com/massachusetts/269/12.html

But Unfortunately as You can see , All the Loonie's are not on the Left Coast .

This Bill gets filed every year by My Rep .

http://www.mass.gov/legis/bills/senate/st01/st01384.htm

Bob

Sweet merciful crap.

I find it exceedingly ironic and sad that the states where Liberty was born on this continent are now the ones zealously attempting to eliminate every trace of it not only for the hapless denizens of their states but the entire nation.

I'd weep for my nation but when I look around it is becoming more and more apparent that it hasn't been my nation for a very, very long time.

Bandit · #35 10/20/08, 09:29 AM

Quint
Have You noticed that the one's that want to change where the country is going .
Are Not usually the ones that Fought to keep it Free .

Also , when checking out some of these Loonies , look at where they got there Education from .
Do you see a pattern ?
Bob
We just want to Escape from here ,and the crazies .
Just not sure where to go yet , as We run two business , I fix Air Compressors , specializing in Really Big Ones , and We have been Mfg. Tempory Shelters ( Salt Sheds , RV , and Boat Shelters etc. ) and renting out Party Tents for over 6 yrs. ( but that business gets a little Dead in the Winter )
Bob
Ps.
We do " try " to Hunt , and even my 23 yr. old Daughter has a Concealed Carry Lic. for Mass.
Pps.
We have Loonies that walk there Dogs and ride there Bikes wearing Brown coats and White Hats on State land that is open for Hunting , during Hunting Season Here .

radiofish · #36 10/20/08, 01:48 PM

I'll give up my wrist rocket slingshot, when they pry it from my cold dead hands!!!!!! Maybe that is because I can use gravel for ammunition, and can not get taxed for it????

Bandit, well I served my country, and I am for the ability to exercise my 2nd Ammendment rights. As stated earlier, I do legally carry large caliber CCW weapons in California/ The original home of the Left Coast Loonies!!!

Plus having someone across the country, tell me what to do on my own 80 acres... That is not gonna fly with me!!!! As long as I but my state hunting licenses, follow the laws, and exercise common sense, then I am going to carry a firearm looking for potential food.

What about shooting nusiance animals, that are destroying your own livestock?? I guess that they don't want anyone hurting those poor unfortunate misunderstood critters...

Bandit · #37 10/20/08, 05:39 PM

I was at a Mass. Fish and Wildlife Board of Directors meeting that was held out in Western Mass. ( The Birkshires ) As the meeting was about a law to allow us to control ( Trap ) the Beavers that were causing roads to flood and wells to be polluted .
Two Little Old ladies from Cambridge showed up to Voice there displeasure at allowing animals to be killed.
They also demanded to know why the meeting was being held so far from civilization ? As they got lost several times .
The Chairman told them because this is where the problem is , Is Your Drinking Water Polluted ?.

Bob