Do You Have Any "Citiots" For Neighbors?

In a perfect world I would agree with you. There is a distinct difference between calling someone a bumpkin as you described and using citiots as we have.

To illustrate my point. If I go to town and use the wrong fork no harm will come to other people for it. If a citiot moves to my road and I lose livestock due to their ignorance of dog concerns there are very real damages. If an urbanite moves to the country and is a sincerely kind person but a bit confused there is no harm in it. I have no problem treating them like anyone else.

I'm here to blow off steam because I have sustained a lot of very real damages from citiots. We have had buildings damaged, a pit bull dumped who managed to find their way to my livestock pen, new trash dumped on our property monthly. Trash as in an entire couch or washing machine NOT just a beer can or burger wrapper, okay?

As soon as I meet a nice urbanite I will welcom them, otherwise I reserve the right to call all rude imports who cause me harm a citiot. This goes way beyond dinner table manners and what fork a hick uses. BTW if I choose not to wash my hands it doesn't cost the urbanite anything to repair.

Hillsidedigger-Do you know my daughter!?!? lol She says the same thing! She lives in Blairsville GA so that's not far from you I bet. She & her DH own "Rountree's Pine Furniture", it's a STORE, not a shop! Some days the Floridiots really get to her. I know they're not all like that but so many keep telling the locals how lucky they are to have them move in & change everything.

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Oh, come on now. I see your posts frequently and I know you're not that naive. Why do the urbanites have all the responsibility? Don't want trash or trespassers? Fence your yard. Losing stock to roaming animals? Same answer; if an animal can get into the corral, YOU'VE done something wrong, too. But country folk complain that shouldn't be necessary. See, "city people" might put up a security light or an alarm system to mitigate the problem. But according to the brochure, that's a bad idea, since country people like to star gaze. Do you see what I'm getting at?

You have every right to call city people whatever you choose (God knows I have some choice corkers), but when a publication that purports to be from "kindly" country residents "informing" new transplants--and does it in such a baldly demeaning way--it just, as I already said, perpetuates the myth that country people are so dumb that they can't be subtler; that they must hit a person about the face with their mental 2x4. I guess my point is that the way the brochure is written says more about the people who created it--and defend it--than it does about its intended audience.

I will have to admit, I sometime rather enjoy being seen as differnt from the local rednecks, I wear a shirt although I can get away without one, most around here could lose 50 lbs and still need to keep their shirt on,

I actually leave the muffler on my truck....

I get believe you replace old fence, not fix it for 300th time

I am pround of my southern heritage but believe nothing in this world is more ignorant than flying a confederate flag, and I don't need a pitbull chained to my shop to feel tough..

and yes I have recently added a motorized gate to my farm, for the simple reason that I needed to prevent every tom, dick, and bubba from coming to visit about 5:30 every evening...How can anyone have that much spare time, I hate to seem anti-social, but my fridge is not a community watering hole.

My day job is the development of fringe properties, land on the edge of suburban and rural areas, the areas of high growth and rapid development are areas that have welcomed developers and the city buyer and the mcmansions, the county or state has made a decision to encourage this type of development... The country lifestyle, not the redneck lifestyle... there is a difference.

As soon as you find a cheap and practical way to fence out citiots and their dogs from over 300 planted crop acres you let me know, okay? Sure would lose a lot of headland since we couldn't fit the large equipment though. Not sure why we have to turn our land into a fortress to lock folks out. All the immediate locals and neighbors have not needed good fences for generations. Why should we be obligated to "defend ourselves" from intrusion?

Found us a pair of citiots playing fetch with their dog in our dry, almost bursting pods of soy. They must have figured it was the country and it would do no harm.

I thought the brochure was long winded and not entirely accurate. I especially thought the part about fencing trails was ridiculous. No one is obligated to allow trespassers who feel entitled.

I am very welcoming to anyone and judge on character. I have no problem with city folk in general never did. If they take a sincere and well thought out plunge into rural life I admire it. As far as the term citiot, anyone who moves to a new area and makes a nuisance of themselves, has a disregard for local culture and wants to "improve" things is rude and presumptuous. Not a way to make friends.

I also use the term trailor trash for some folks. I have no problem with people who live in mobile homes. I have in the past and have family who still does. I think we all know and understand what trailor trash means............

Ok - so my property is fenced, the whole blooming 32 acres, even have a gate across my driveway, but no fence. And my neighbors dog, a chow, came onto my property, right in front of my house and almost killed my dog..
this was after the same said dog attacked another neighbor's dog.

I told the neighbor about the attack, hard to miss it since his dog was covered in blood..and my dog was in surgery for 2 hours, spent many months in rehab..and almost died. Did the city neighbor put the dog up? oh yes, he did..but then explained he knew she could climb the fence but what could he do about it? Animal control had to go talk to him, issue a ticket and remove the dog.

I have some good neighbors, some that I do things for and they do things for me. I give them a ham at Christmas. They were accumulated bldg. materials to build a large storage building/shop and almost had enough stuff to build with..when a city lady called the county on them for "clutter"..heck she didn't even LIVE in the neighborhood, was trying to sell the lot that adjoins my property and so the county made the man remove all his building materials. Now he has no materials, no shop, no storage. I told him that he could have moved the stuff on my property for the next month while buying the stuff for the roof but I didn't know this was going on until after the fact.

I don't mind neighbors, I don't mind neighbors from where ever they come from..but I do mind people straying on my property, allowing their dogs to run loose and chase my stock, and I don't want people using my driveway to "inspect" their lot. If anyone trespasses on your property and gets hurt, you as the property owner can be liable for their injuries. Sorry but anyone can sue you for anything. That is why I carry a huge liability policy and have my property fenced, cross fenced, have no trespassing signs posted and now will begin closing and locking my gate when I leave each day.

I have NEVER had problems with neighbors who move in and at least try to be a good neighbor, the ones I have problems with are the ones that think they can come in and change the world..overnight. Funny but why is it that I keep my livestock contained, my dogs contained and on my property, I don't wander around in their backyards, nor do I use their property for a shooting range or to set fireworks off on..why do they think they can climb my fences and do that to me?

Yes..they think that "ooh she has all that land so it is alright" but yet don't even bother to ask me if it is alright to come onto the property.

The neighbor that did bother to ask..now has a place for his son to ride his four wheeler around the trail that I made next to the fencelines. We simply agreed that when said kid was riding, they would let me know in advance, so I don't ride my horse on that trail.

That is a good neighbor..the others who moved here in the last five years..not so much.

Hinton lady - I so understand about the dumping of large appliances..I had a CAR pushed through my fence a few months ago..I had to call a tow truck to get it removed. Of course said car had no motor, no plates..but the idiots forgot to remove the plate that had the VIN number on it. lol..the owners told the police they thought I wouldn't "mind" since I had so much land..

uhm yeah. It only cost those folks for the tow bill and the fence replacement. Thank goodness I had moved the horses from that field and put them up close to the barn since they are in training now.

Edited to add: my "yard" is 32 acres big..I consider why whole farm my YARD..and no, I am not going to fence a half acre around my house just because people are likely to let their dogs loose or dump their trash. The perimeter is fenced..do you have any idea how much it costs me to maintain that perimeter fence of 5 feet of field wire and two strands of barbed wire around my property? Not cheap by any means to keep it in good repair and not be patched up and ugly.

I also have board fencing for safety for my horses in their paddocks, I am not going to add another layer of fencing just so the neighbor's dogs can't get in. I will add another layer of protection as I intend to get another LGD in the future, one that isn't a Pyr though.

As Hinton Lady said, why do we, the people who have lived here for decades, have to be the ones to fence people out, put up new fences, be the ones that are on the defensive?

As far as idiots driving fast, there was a head on collision on our road last year from two suburbanites who lived in the same subdivision..one was pulling out into the main road, the other was flying down the road and hit the lady head on and killed her instantly..the lady was not speeding but the man now faces manslaughter charges - he was doing 65 in a 35 mile zone..our whole road is 35 mph yet this guy was in such a rush to "get home" he said..for what?

If someone wants their Yard..and wants to regulate what others do, they should move to a neighborhood conducive to that..I believe they are called subdivisions or gated communities. If they want to adjust to rural life, they should at least attempt to fit in somewhat. Some do and others won't. The ones that do get compost from me, their kids are allowed to come pet the horses when I am present, and they can ride their 4 wheeler on my property.

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Because "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." The world has changed and it continues to change. Grousing about the fact that that sucks doesn't do anyone any good. Dumping carp on your property didn't start when "citiots" moved in--that's good ol' fashioned country MO. And judging by the astounding number of posts I see on the livestock boards, plenty of people here do a perfectly good job of getting their livestock killed by their own mutts.

This whole county is pretty much rural, but there are people that go between a couple of towns that have to drive down the main road here. Well, one day, a tree blew over in that road. A highway patrol set up there and directed people how to get around, you have to go to the first paved road, take a right, and so on. Out little road is a dirt road, but has a paved section about 20 ft deep where it hits the main road. So, I was sitting up the road at Muletrain's(my closest neighbor, since deceased) house, on the porch, and 5 cars come just tearing down the road. If you have ever been on a dirt road, you know to drive slow. They get to the end of the road, everything past that is my private road. It leads nowhere, stops in front of the house at the bottom of the hill. It was not maintained at all, there were some huge ruts and at the bottom was an eternal mudhole, a really bad one. Anyway, all these cars tearing down the road, seems like they sorta hesitated at the end of the road, but I guess the leader didn't want to be wrong, so she kept on, but slowed down greatly. 2 more cars followed her. the 4th guy turns around and goes flying back up the road, and the fifth one turns around, pulls up to where we were sitting and ask which way. Meanwhile there's a horrible scraping noise. A couple seconds later one car backs out of my road, just racing away. I started walking down the road, there was a guy standing there, looking at his car. One tire in the rut, and the frame scraping, that was the noise I heard.We talked a minute, that's how I found out about the highway patrol, etc.He backed on out of there.
I walked on down a ways, down in front of the house was the other car, up to the door in mud, spinning her tires. I walked on down there and stood beside the car, the woman just kept spinning her tires. Obviously pretty angry, she rolled down her window and ask, sarcastically, "Can I help you?" I had to laugh out loud, but since she started with the sarcasm, I said, "Help me??? I'm not stuck in a mudhole" and walked up toward the house. I sat on the porch watching her, she tried to make some phone calls but this is a dead zone, for most carriers, so, she gets out of the car, slogs through the mud and comes up toward the house. "Can I use your phone to call a wrecker?" she asked. "Ain't a wrecker in the county" I told her. It'll cost a hundred bucks and take an hour to get one here. "What are you gonna do for the next hour while waiting? You wouldn't want to sit in your car that long, and you probably wouldn't care to sit here on the porch either" She said she'd call a cab. i told her there are no cabs in the county either. She finally realized the predicament she was in. Looked like she was about to cry. I told her, I'll get my tractor and pull your car out of the mud, you won't have to wait at all. She said how much? I said, I'll give you a choice, you can pay me the same thing a tow truck would charge , or....... just tell me what in the heck you were thinking, flying down a dirt road, coming to the end of the road, going past 6 signs saying private property, no trespassing, straddling a rut 2 ft deep and driving willy-nilly into a mudhole big enough to fish in?" She looked at me for about 30 seconds without saying a word, then fished around in her pocketbook, I thought for a minute she was going to whip out one of those little pistols and shoot me, but came out with a hundred dollar bill, handed it to me. Man, that cracked me up, she'd rather part with a hundred bucks than explain herself. She never did say another word. I pulled her out and handed her money back before I moved the tractor out of the way and didn't say a word to her either. I bet her view of the whole situation was a lot different than mine. Probably something about the highway patrol and some redneck conspiring to get her stuck in a mudhole and then charge her a hundred bucks to get out, but she wowed the redneck with her charm and fancy britches. LOL. Then again, maybe she thought "What a nice man!!" Who knows.

I know how the Indians felt when the white man moved in.

Bob.

If I have a problem with one of my mutts that is my problem now isn't it? I know the owner and know how to remedy the situation without protracted debates, fights over rights and compensation or lack of reasonable and speedy solution to said problem.

Doesn't make MY property or MY livestock a free for all for ignorant masses of oblivious damage doers. There are leash laws, I am prefectly within my rights to not HAVE to protect myself from others. (edited to add: that is a basic human right BTW)

Speaking of narrow mindedness, anyone who defends those who infringe upon other rights certainly do not have the moral upper hand. I said THREE times that I do not condemn all city folk. I use the term citiot to voice deep displeasure at any new person who imposes their ideas on MY property. I have every right to be offended, TYVM.

Debating the juvenile nature of name calling is one thing, go ahead and cast the first stone. If you want to debate the fact that I have to tolerate anyones stepping on or abuse of my rights you have another thing coming.



As for Native Americans, I whole heartedly agree with how totally unfair the way they were treated was. I am not now nor was I ever a calvaryman or a slave owner. No living Native American was a part of western expansion, no living person was a part of the slave movement. Conjuring the injustice of the world before I was born is an argument with no possible solution. Today is today.

AKA

According to Fin "The world has changed and it continues to change. Grousing about the fact that that sucks doesn't do anyone any good."

<snifs air> There's a troll nearby.:1pig:

As mentioned, we don't have citiots. this region of the US has been experiencing severe rural out-migration for decades.

But I do still have rude, inconsiderate neighbors! We're talking farmers and ranchers who have been in this business for generations upon generations....


What's their excuse?

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My favorites are Winter Texans. Spent their whole life living out in the middle of a very quiet 200 acres. Sell the farm and move into an RV and then complain about the noise from neighbors 10 feet away. Go Figure.

Well said.

We don't have a motorized gate, we can't justify the expense right now. But we do have a 4' high no-climb fence around the front 1.5 acres of our property where we have our house and orchard and chicken coop and goat pens... because people around here are totally incapable of keeping their obnoxious dogs on their own property, and I don't want their dogs getting onto my property and killing my animals. And before we put up our fence, we were constantly finding the neighbors' dogs' "messes" all over our driveway, footprints through our garden (and across the plants), etc.

And I'm the only woman around here, I think, who does not wear a tube-top while mowing the lawn! :1pig:

Ah, there's a major part of my point.

Uhm yes the dumping DID start when the city folks moved in..I have been on the same piece of real estate for 22 years..never had a problem until two years ago when a developer put in a subdivision. Now I have hauled off a CAR..sans motor, mattresses, a dishwasher sans door, and other garbage..these folks are connected to me by 1/4 acre and because I cannot see that particular corner from the house, they feel it's fine to dump their garbage on my property..after all I have so much..yeah right.

My Great Pyr Amos kept all the city folks dogs off the premises until he got too old to get up..he died just recently after 13.5 years of doing his job..only slowing down the last week when a neighbor's boxer came on the property and was chasing my horse..a horse I might add that was in a double fence, the dog managed to go under the field fence and under the lowest board of my board fence..now that particular horse is lame and in the barn and I am expecting somewhere in the neighborhood of 1,000 in vet bills for ultrasounds and xrays, not to mention the fact that I had said horse SOLD for 6500 after spending two years working with her with a trainer..

so just what am I supposed to do, stand armed guard because my neighbors turn their dogs loose when they come home? Am I supposed to just "suck it up" because these people think foo foo dog would never hurt a flea..yet in the last six months my rat terrior was mauled and had her throat torn out, yep 150 plus stitches and 2 hours of surgery emergency surgery at that, to repair the damage. Now my horse is dead lame and it is no fault of mine..

so that is ok in YOUR book?

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Oh Sidepasser! If it helps any, I'll be praying that those people will honor the responsibility they have to pay those bills & keep their dogs home.

I've never understood why some people think that we have to spend tons of money to fence other animals out, but they have no obligation to fence theirs in. Our sheriff is on our side. He said that while there is no law to keep other animals on their own property, we have the right to kill them when they come here on a killing spree. Of course, it's usually too late for our animals that have been attacked.

We've been known as Those Dogkillers for years now, but no sympathy for our chickens & ducks.

The rifles are loaded & kept by the front door - just in case!

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"While we have the opportunity, let us do good to all." Galatians 6:10

Well, I'm a city girl who finally got to move to the country back in January. It's been a lifelong dream and I appreciate every single moment of it! My next door neighbors have chickens, and I love hearing that rooster greeting the sun every morning. They have a cow, and the sound of it lowing just makes me want one of my own. They have a donkey and it's just now getting to the point where I don't smile to myself every time he brays, although sometimes he still makes me giggle 'cause you can just tell he's madder than a wet hen about something! lol

My neighbors across the road have horses, and I just love to look out the windows and see them grazing in the pasture, what beautiful creatures! I can't even begin to imagine why people would move to the country knowing all sorts of livestock will be around if they can't stand the sight, sound or smell of them! And I love all the birds and frogs and lightning bugs, even the coyotes yipping (well at least until I get livestock) and especially walking out and seeing that huge night sky with all those stars, oh it just touches my soul and makes my heart swell with happiness!

I want to plant a big garden and get some livestock and a couple of guard dogs myself and have had quite a few opportunities for free or very cheaply, but wouldn't dream of it until I can afford to fence my land properly and do things the right way. Nor would I dream of trespassing on my neighbors' land or pushing my "citified" views (although I don't think I really have any) onto them just because I moved into their area. I try very hard to be a good neighbor and to fit into my new lifestyle. I wave to everyone I pass on the roads or even if I'm outside and they drive past the house. I make a point of trying to have a friendly conversation any time I go into my small town businesses. I make a point of going to pay my rural water bill in person just so I can get to know people better and read the bulletin board and see what's going on in my area.

I haven't gotten to know people as well as I would have liked by now, but I haven't had a car for quite a while, and my health has been unexpectedly bad this year so I can't walk all that far. Just my luck, finally got to move to the country and now I'm too gimpy to truly enjoy it, lol! But I know my time will come eventually. In the meantime, when I saw I wasn't going to be able to harvest the tons of blackberries I have growing wild out here, I told several neighbors to come help themselves. I'm finally going to be getting a car at the end of the month, so hopefully I can get even more involved in the community and hopefully get to know folks well enough that I can ask advice on things like gardening and livestock since they have the experience and I'm the newbie. If some people are still standoffish, I figure they're just waiting either to get to know me better or to see if I'm one of the "good" newbies or one of the "citiots". Personally, I'm just tickled pink to be here and want to do everything I can to learn and fit in. If people don't want to live a country lifestyle, then they should just stay in the city! Sorry this is so long...just my two hundred cents, lol.

Callie - you sound like my kind of person! Even tho I now have my own chickens & donkeys, I still like to hear them. One neighbor has cows - I can't see them, but I can hear them & love it.

I had a hard time getting to know people, too. What I did was get involved with the county fair & the Extension. I was already a Master Food Preserver so I took the course again just to meet like-minded people & be able to volunteer.

I know what it's like to be "gimpy" in the country. When my back was really bad I couldn't take care of my animals. One time I ended up on my hands & knees in the barn. My poor donkey didn't know what to make of it! Fortunately, I'm better now, & I hope you will be, too!

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"While we have the opportunity, let us do good to all." Galatians 6:10

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Northeast Washington

"While we have the opportunity, let us do good to all." Galatians 6:10