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View Poll Results: Would You Shoot Someone over a MELON?
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Chase them off without show of firearms?
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Shoot in air to scare them off?
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42.19% |
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Shoot to maim or kill?
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07/27/08, 04:30 PM
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Location: Northwestern Coastal California
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Thieves make good compost....
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Originally Posted by YuccaFlatsRanch
"We don't get to kill people for property crimes and get away with it. The use of deadly force or the threat of deadly force is (legally) reserved for very specific situations.
Outside those very specific situations, even threatening the use of deadly force will probably completely ruin your life (if you get caught).
Unless you are in fear of losing your life, or believe someone else is about to lose their life, and the only way you can stop it is deadly force, don't even think about it."
Thats why you live in crime infested Michigan and I live in Texas where I don't lock my doors when I go to bed, nor when I go to town. My keys to my truck are tossed on the dash. Come and try to steal my truck - I dare you.
Castle Doctrine laws have changed a bunch lately. Of course I think it is still illegal to even own a gun in Detroit.
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Well you state that you wouldn't use deadly force, yet you invite someone to try and steal your truck?? Only in Texas I guess, eh???
To let you know YuccaFlatsRanch - It is legal and has been legal to own a firearm in crime infested Detroit! I am originally from there, and have legally armed my sister who lives there with her own Michigan CCW license.
I have caught a burglar (in the act) at gunpoint in 2004 - but I did not fire my weapon, not even a warning shot. I ordered him to "HALT" in a loud authorative voice, and he decided that I ment business with my CCW weapon pointed at him! The burglar did "Habla" very well - I speak Spanish a bit rusty I may say..Not all of us U.S. Marines are as bloodthirsty as everyone thinks!! The Sheriff's Deputy arrested him, but the County DA's office would not proscute him for burglarizing a vehicle parked inside a building!! They claiimed he was "5150 or Looney Tunes", so no charges were filed, even with my calling and writing their office many times. My insurance company did waive my deductable, for all of the damages caused by the slimeball..
If a person's property is posted "No Trespassing" and you steal from them, then you deserve what you get. I really don't care if it is a melon, or a vehicle!!! Look back at the "When Snitching Is Not Stealing" thread from last year. I guess that some folks think that they can wander around and help themselves to other folks property!
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07/27/08, 04:35 PM
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Location: Missouri
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Originally Posted by big rockpile
I've come home to find neighbors picking my Mushrooms and Raspberries.Had one neighbor steal half my Chickens one at a time.Had another neighbor steal all my Hunting Dogs,sold them for money for down payment on a House.
One Melon might be the way it starts. 
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Reading this post made me think of a story my Dad told me which his granpa told him about Grandpa's grandfather. My GGG grandfather had come back from town and his horses were gone but could see the track down the road and knew who tolk them so he went to town and told the Sherriff but he only offered to give my grandfather a warant to get him himeself so he came home and got a neighbor and they cut across country and 'ambushed' the guys. I think we all know what ambushed meant back then(pre 1900). Yes I know horses is much different to melons but I thought I'd share it.
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07/27/08, 05:04 PM
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: South Texas
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Not for a mellon, but I will if they mow over my mailbox just one more time!
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07/27/08, 05:05 PM
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I hate snakes, skunks. and possums, and humans who tend to bothe
People think humans are like gods, not to be held accountable. like the animals that get into our gardens. pens and chickenhouses. I say BS. Humans are supposed to be smarter, and thereby they are less excusable for their actions. If someone fearlessly and blatenly steals from me, I will if I have to, shoot them. Might be with a noiseless pellet gun, or a crossbow, if I intend to get rid of the carcess, or a load of saltshot. But I didnt do quick draw for 30 yrs for nothing. I could go up to them and cuss them out, and if they tried to shoot me for my boldness, I should be able to beat them to the punch, or draw
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07/27/08, 05:22 PM
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They wouldn't be dead but after a couple loads of # 7 or 8's from my 12 gauge they might wanna be dead. i wouldn't think twice about shooting them if i caught them stealing from me, 1 melon or 100 whats the difference its still stealing.
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07/27/08, 05:29 PM
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Texan in Ohio
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Central Ohio
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yes, it is not their melon.
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07/27/08, 05:32 PM
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AFKA ZealYouthGuy
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To all the folks who say, "What's the difference stealing is stealing..."
Well, legally there is a difference, and since probably everyone on this thread is, has been, or will be a thief at some point in their life, you should be careful what brand of "justice" you seek.
Since "Stealing is stealing", when you waste time at work you're stealing from your boss.
Since "stealing is stealing", when you take a pen home from work and forget about it, or remember it later... well, that's stealing.
When you snitched something as a child... that was stealing.
Death penalty for us all!
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07/27/08, 05:37 PM
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Twice in my life Ive had a lesson taught to me by salt from a shot gun .
Once was snitching from a garden and was was diddling a farmers daughter .
Both times I no doubt deserved the punishment and learned from it .
when such things were common place farmers and others took great care to only give a lasting impression and not kill or maim.
I my self have shot a trespasser with a nonlethal shell (a soft silicone plug)
with a light powder load much like the bean bag shells used by law enforcement. he got a nice welt out of the deal and a new respect for ownership , he has since returned and been given permission to hunt after asking . Given the same circumstances I would do so again
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07/27/08, 05:43 PM
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Gotta go by the SSS rule....
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07/27/08, 06:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Up North
We have all heard the tales of the farmer standing watch with his gun over his melon patch. So let's say you have melons in your garden. If someone tries to sneak in and steal a melon, and you see them out there, would you shoot them over a melon?
I mean really, would you?
1.) Chase them off without a firearm?
2.) Shoot to scare them off possibly winging them?
3.) Shoot to maim or kill?
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Up North,
Is stealing a melon an offense worthy of capital punishment? I don't think so, even in Saudi Arabia! 
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07/27/08, 06:57 PM
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NO , just stand there with the gun on him till he its it all. Well cept fer a slice if its good n ripe 
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07/27/08, 08:45 PM
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Oh I've got another one.I came home one time and one of my Pickups was gone  Well here came a girl walking up the drive.She was from Dallas Texas,said she was wanting to visit a friend but her vehical wouldn't make it in there.So she borrowed my Pickup and it had broke down on her.She said she didn't think I would mind. 
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07/27/08, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ladycat
Just don't shoot my cat.
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Ladycat, that has to be the most bizarre picture I've seen recently. It's so---strange! I got a big laugh out of it. 
And, oh, no shooting someone over a melon. Sic the dogs on 'em, though, at which point my dogs would go out and love them to death.
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07/28/08, 08:49 AM
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There are really two aspects to the question - the legal aspect and the "moral" aspect.
From a legal point of view I would avoid shooting someone over just a melon. On the other hand that cheap little hidey hole .22 or .25 pistol would surely get them shot in a heartbeat.
From a moral standpoint I wouldn't be particularly bothered by shooting someone over a melon. My property is posted and if the law allowed me to I would shoot anyone who ignores the signs unless they are coming up the front drive in plain view.
I would assert that there is too much molly coddling of individuals who are not held responsible for their actions. If people had a reasonalbe expectation that there would actually be severe and immediate consequences to their criminal activities then they would be a lot less likely to engage in them. Or, in the alternative, others would have the advantage of them as a posthumus example.
As usual, just my 2 cents.
Last edited by Mike in Ohio; 07/28/08 at 10:36 AM.
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07/28/08, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by js2743
They wouldn't be dead but after a couple loads of # 7 or 8's from my 12 gauge they might wanna be dead. i wouldn't think twice about shooting them if i caught them stealing from me, 1 melon or 100 whats the difference its still stealing.
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I don't know what the laws are where you live, but if that were done in The Peoples Republik of Illinois, you would see some serious jail time.
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07/28/08, 10:09 AM
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My friend told me a funny story about melon thieves.
A farmer was getting a melon or 2 stole everynight so he erected a sign that said
"One of these melons contains cyanide "
the next morning he came back to check his melons and saw beneath the sign was written:
"Now there are 2"
lol a melon is not worth shooting someone over, upsetting but not worth the trouble
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07/28/08, 10:16 AM
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I wish somebody would come down here. I'd love to have somebody to talk to, share some coffee, maybe even a couple shots of old crow. When they wasn't looking, I'd load them up with cucumbers, squash, corn, and tomatoes too.
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07/28/08, 11:18 AM
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KS dairy farmers
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Well, with 93% of poll weighing in the consensus seems to be that the stealing of a melon does not rise to the level of offense which justifies shooting someone.
For the sake of my modest patch of Melons, and the safety of my family, I shall simply continue the facade of the crusty curmudgeon Bartles & James type clad in striped Bib Overalls and a corn seed cap, LOL.
Is that old farmer packing heat? It shall remain a mystery.
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07/28/08, 01:41 PM
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I wouldn't shoot someone for stealing a melon, but I'd like to shoot the tires out of the car belonging to the person who just stole our sheep crossing sign.
I hate thieves.
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07/28/08, 02:01 PM
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Columnist, Feature Writer
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Originally Posted by jill.costello
you guys are NOT thinking out-of-the-box!
I say, SHOOT THE MELON! |
That's the best answer here! Wouldn't you love to see the face of the person holding the melon?  I'll chuckle over this the rest of the afternoon. Thanks for the laugh!
Thou shalt not kill (over a melon) but I wouldn't hesitate to scare the heck out of him. 
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