T. Boone Pikens...thoughts anyone?

Its well proven that if you leave it to the polliticians to do something, about all you get is billions of words and mega yards of Hot air. . . . .and the solution\problem\fix is put on hold for almost ever.

When TBP snaps his fingers . .things will get done.

His ideas should have been implemented years ago.....

What has chaney and all his oil buddys done . . . .??
(just suck in the mega profits)

The government has had thirty years, since Jimmy Carter's days, to embrace wind and solar energy...( folks in the know, knew this day was coming... believe what you will, whether the market or govt should decide 'when' to embrace the clean technologies) and they've done exactly zero, outside of a few tax breaks, that are very small...

So, the day has arrived. We decide do we want to live or die? Stick with oil, we'll die, not today, tomorrow, or next week, but soon... There'll always be plenty of oil, but the price will be out of reach for such wasteful things as driving automobiles and heating homes. I think quite a few folks realize this, NOW.

Someone is doing something NOW, about alternative energy. It's time to stand up and help, or get out of the way and let someone who's doing it, do it. If someone gets rich, giving me what I want and need, more power to them. Thousands of the giant turbines are growing in the Texas countryside, and each one pays the landowners 'wind royalties'...

I haven't seen Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett (insert insanely rich person here) 'donating' money to get this done. If T Boone wants to hitch his billions to wind energy, more power to him.

:disclaimer: I wanted to invest in T Boone's investment funds... only problem was a 7 figure 'buy in'... and alas, my liquid cash is not that substantial... His investors are making a good return, on a green energy source.

If we were to wait for the govt to do something, we'd wait quite a long while...

Capitalism at work! He sees a chance to make money and is going for it. Personally I don't see it working with the system we have now. There is no way to store the wind energy (other than using the 'excess' to pump water up hill) and when the wind dies what do you do? What ever it is it has to be done almost instantly or nasty things happens to the power grid.

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One thing will lead to another. Once a renewable, sustained resource is focused on other investors will be like sweet on honey to move our nation toward energy independence and line their own pockets. Nothing wrong with that. EXCEPT. This whole Wind thing, Solar thing, etc needs to be done on a SMALL level.

Otherwise, our electric bills will still be high. NEVER think for a second that once the wind or plasma or solar is properly harnessed that our bills will go down, they won't, the money will line the pockets of share holders, etc.

There needs to be a grass roots movement to get Quality Solar and Wind power to individual homes, apartment complexes, Condo units, mobile home parks, etc. some laws need to be changed to allow this.

I think at 80+ ole T. Boone ain't got much to prove or much need at this point in his life. He really should be enjoying his grand babies and fishing. I think he truly sees that this nation will crater if we don't DO something!! He is likely trying to leave something for posterity and future generations.

In scanning his plans I don't see where they do all that much for 'oil independence'. Take the TVA for example. Far as I know every plant is either nuclear, coal or natural gas.

Additional drilling into U.S. reserves may help for a while, but what is really required is to find methods of transportation which don't rely on petroleum. Hydrogen fuel cell vehicles are on the road now. Problem is the retail price of one would likely be between $200-300K. Can they use technology to lower that price? Perhaps, but perhaps also not low enough to be readily available to the average driver.

How long have we been promised $1 a kwh solar?

It's gonna take somebody with money to do this! So he's got money big deal and he puts the money in he ought to get a return for his risk. That's how capitalism is supposed to work. He's done alot of good for all of OKlahoma and I'm glad he's getting into the fray, if nothing else maybe he'll move some people to dump the do-nothings in Congress and elect new blood.

So when has making money been a bad thing??? He'd probably make even more money by putting his money into drilling more oil wells.

What he's thinking about now, is his legacy. Lots of men made tons drilling oil wells. But he wants to be remembered for this. It might just work.

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It sounds good but I get a little suspicious when I read this on his web site:

"That's 25% of the world's oil demand. Used by just 4% of the world's population."

I'm all for alternative energy sources to lessen our reliance on foreign nations. However, some of Picken's numbers are misleading. He states that Americans are essentially wasteful energy pigs specifically using the statistic that the US is just 4 percent of the world's population while we use 25 percent of of the world's oil demand. He neglects to state or conveniently leaves out that while it is true the US uses 25 percent of the oil demand we also produce 25.4 percent of the world's goods and services (global economy is $53.3 trillion and the US produces $13.8 trillion). So what's the problem if a nation that produces 25 percent of the world's goods and services needs 25 percent of the world's output?

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Watch the whiteboard presentation at the bottom of this page where he explains:

http://www.pickensplan.com/media/

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And we also import more goods than we export.

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Don't we actually consume the majority of those goods and services as well?

It's time to wake up and face reality. When an Oil Baron tells us we're wasteful energy pigs maybe it's time to pay some attention.

Good grief. If anyone would watch the videos I keep linking to they would find the answers to the questions they keep asking.

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Seen the commercial. visited the website.

His plan as stated on the website is VERY unspecific. What I gathered from it, was it looks like a land grab for the greater good of America.

America NEEDS cheaper energy, sorry farmer, townspeople, country dwellers, your backyard looks like a great wind farm location. I'm guessing if you refuse to have a wind farm in your yard you won't own the yard anymore. It is just what those kind of people do.

He didn't get where he is at caring about those around him. He didn't get what he has making choices that benefit anyone other than himself.

I'm all for solar and wind power, but I think we have to be VERY warey of people like this.

The problem is H2 is not a energy source but an energy storage device in the same way water behind a dam is not an energy source but an energy storage device. For a dam you must some how get the water behind the dam and this takes energy. That energy can come from the sun evaporating the water and it being placed behind the dam via rain or you can do it by pumping water upwards. But either way you can never get the same amount of energy out of it as was put into it.

The same principle applies to H2 but to a much greater extent. There is no source of unbound H2 on earth therefore you must make it by unbinding it from something; water, methane or something. This takes energy and just as in the water system using the H2 will never provide even the same amount, much more, energy than you put into the system.

And yes you can use wind, solar or other power to make the H2 to use as your energy storage but the problems with storing and using it make it very unpractical. It would make more sense to use batteries to store and transport the energy.

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Remember, when seconds count. . .
the police are just MINUTES away!

Congress has no power to appropriate this money as an act of charity. Every member upon this floor knows it. . .Davy Crockett

So.... why does it work for Sweetwater, but it won't work for Pampa?

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sweetwater can sell the excess energy to whom? abilene? maybe so...pampa can sell to lubbock, maybe western oklahoma....fine....all i am saying is that infrastructure costs will burden taxpayers to an extreme....the barnett shale gas has already proven its worth around here....small cost yet the local pelosis cry like babies about the environmental consequenses....none so far..
we must drilll here and now and forever


mc and co

That energy from Sweetwater is all over Texas. It's in the grid.

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It's been in the brochures enclosed in our electric bills.

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Except when the wind stops blowing....
"Loss of wind causes Texas power grid emergency"
http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...49522920080228

http://www.pickensplan.com/

Here is his energy plan site. He is a visionary.

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