Would this be a crop to help save farm, victory, hope, future ?

Shinsan · #41 06/15/08, 06:05 PM

A lot of this is old stuff, but the info is still relevant:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hemp

http://www.discussanything.com/forum...p/t-19006.html

http://www.illuminati-news.com/marijuana-conspiracy.htm

http://www.sdearthtimes.com/et0199/et0199s11.html

http://www.lightparty.com/Energy/Hemp4.html

http://www.green.net.au/gf/what_is_industrial_hemp.htm

http://www.hempfood.com/IHA/iha02101.html

http://www.hempreport.com/downloads...s_Plan_1106.pdf

http://www.naihc.org/hemp_informati.../dmarcustx.html

http://www.hemperfi.com/processing/

http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/HEMP/IHA/iha01204.html

http://eartheasy.com/wear_hemp_clothing.htm

http://www.kltprc.net/foresight/Chpt_21.htm

http://www.industrialhemp.net/pdf/hempstudy.pdf

http://www.taima.org/en/fibre.htm

http://www.hempsearch.com/Hemp-Library/files.php?cat=16

http://www.drugtext.org/sub/marmyt1.html

http://www.drugwarfacts.org/causes.htm

stonefly71 · #42 06/15/08, 06:26 PM

it's because big brother would have trouble collecting taxes on it. That is maryjane and not hemp. I think it should be legalized and thats my 2 cents on the subject.

YuccaFlatsRanch · #43 06/15/08, 06:30 PM

Wouldn't it be nice to be adult enough as a society that we could utilize hemp. I fear we have a bit of growing up to do yet.

**Ross** · #44 06/15/08, 08:19 PM

You can get a permit to grow industrial hemp (no happy dance element) in Ontario ...... or you could anyhow. It came in with a blaze of glory but then I haven't heard much in a couple of years. Never interested me and the last thing I had heard is there was quite a stock sitting waiting for a buyer. I dunno it could be a viable thing now.

rambler · #45 06/15/08, 11:46 PM

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Originally Posted by homesteadforty

Rambler, use said "Take a crop off the ground, and the nutrients _must_ be replaced with fertilizer." I'm not sure about hemp (I'll have to research a little) but haven't you ever heard of green manure... those plants are the fertilizer... maybe hemp falls into the same catagory (like I said... I need to do some research to find out).

Green manure - plow-down crops - are typically legumes,w hich fix nitrogen in the soil.

Or..... They can be a good scavenger crop, like rye or radish, etc., which suck up nutrients from the soil - perhaps deeper soil - and as you till it back intot he ground, it puts those nutrients back into the soil.

In either case, if you remove the crop - harvest any part of it - you are taking away P & K - there can be a lot of P & K in stalks, as that is what makes the good fibers.

Since hemp is not a legume, it also is removing N. This might not be so important in a fiber crop; but you still need some N to make the plant happy & grow tall.

If you are hauling away parts of the crop, you are hauling away P&K. And possibly N.

Those must be accounted for.

Note that I'd love to see a crop that can be added to the rotation, use up some acres of land. I'm not against hemp fibers - I'd be for it.

I don't see the rosy future for it that some see - none of the positives mentioned really hold much water in the real world. Nothing on the list really rings true any more.

Too bad; would be cool to have another crop in demand.

--->Paul

billybobaz · #46 04/08/09, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by bumpus

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It is against the law to make moonshine whiskey also, but they never outlawed the crop of corn, or sugar, yeast, or water used to make it.

Hemp is used to make hundreds of different things. They can even made a car in 1941 that runs if you would watch the video. It could replace plastic.

They have even built houses out of it.

Big Industry is the one fighting to keep it from being legalized, in The U.S.A.

It has nothing to do with drugs.

bumpus
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THE BIG INDUSTRIES THAT THE HEMP PRODUCTS WOULD AFFECT THIER SALES HAVE MORE MONEY TO BRIBE THE POLITICIANS THAN THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET HAVE. THE MIDDLE MEN THAT ARE HIRED TO MAKE THESE BRIBES ARE CALLED LOBBYIST. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COMMON SENSE OR WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY. THIS WILL ONLY CHANGE AFTER A NATIONAL CRISIS BRINGS AMERICA BACK TO CONSERVATIVE THINKING. IT'LL HAVE TO BE A MAJOR ONE, BECAUSE WE ARE CURRENTLY WAY TOO LIBERAL AND ON THE VERGE OF SOCIALISM.

billybobaz · #47 04/08/09, 06:28 AM

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Originally Posted by billybobaz

THE BIG INDUSTRIES THAT THE HEMP PRODUCTS WOULD AFFECT THIER SALES HAVE MORE MONEY TO BRIBE THE POLITICIANS THAN THE PEOPLE THAT DO NOT CURRENTLY HAVE PRODUCTS ON THE MARKET HAVE. THE MIDDLE MEN THAT ARE HIRED TO MAKE THESE BRIBES ARE CALLED LOBBYIST. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COMMON SENSE OR WHAT IS BEST FOR THE COUNTRY. THIS WILL ONLY CHANGE AFTER A NATIONAL CRISIS BRINGS AMERICA BACK TO CONSERVATIVE THINKING. IT'LL HAVE TO BE A MAJOR ONE, BECAUSE WE ARE CURRENTLY WAY TOO LIBERAL AND ON THE VERGE OF SOCIALISM.

DO YOU THINK THE ILLEGIAL DRUG MONEY MAKING MACHINE WANTS THE COMPETITION OF A LEGAL ALTERNATIVE TO THIER POISON?

Wolf mom · #48 04/08/09, 09:55 AM

Marijuana aside, hemp will never become legal in the US again until the government decides to fight big business lobbyists. And as usual, we the people suffer.

Why do you think the price of plastics have gone up? It's made from oil. It's easier to mandate that people have to buy economy cars rather than go after tha real reason & fight the lobbyists. Or change the health system rather than go after insurance companies or pharmaceutical companies.

longshot38 · #49 04/08/09, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Ross

You can get a permit to grow industrial hemp (no happy dance element) in Ontario ...... or you could anyhow. It came in with a blaze of glory but then I haven't heard much in a couple of years. Never interested me and the last thing I had heard is there was quite a stock sitting waiting for a buyer. I dunno it could be a viable thing now.

i just did a search, and the Gov of Canada is investing millions in promoting the flax and hemp growing Arg. in Canada. the anoucement was made in Winipeg in the last couple of days i think.

dean

beowoulf90 · #50 04/08/09, 01:18 PM

Well when I checked into growing it with government approval some 10-15 years ago. I ran into a block that was companies like Georgia Pacific, Dow Chemical and others..

Also if a person planted the MJ plant next or near the hemp plant the MJ plant loses out..

Hemp has little THC in it and if it pollenates the MJ plant then the MJ plant loses it's THC...
So to answer the question, yes I think it should be legal to grow as a cash crop..

but that is my 1/2 cent opinion... Sorry do to the economy I can't afford more then that..

tomstractormag · #51 04/08/09, 05:00 PM

Hey!!! I live in west HEMPFIELD township. That count for anything?

Tom

Pink_Carnation · #52 04/08/09, 05:36 PM

Even if hemp became legal to grow ...the market would have to be built up for the products and there would need to be the places to process it.

prometheus · #53 04/08/09, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by MELOC

we can't allow hemp to be grown, it could lead to dancing.

Don't forget the raping of all our white wimmens.

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doohap · #54 04/08/09, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by seedspreader

As I've said, the problem with hemp is it's whacko support group it has. It's the potheads (even though you can't/shouldn't smoke it) that support it and many of them radically.

It's unfortunate because it suffers from the same thing Ron Paul suffers from. Doomed to the fringe by the supporters.

Of course there is also the debatable benefits of hemp. Hemp is not illegal to grow in much of the world and it's products are not illegal to sell in the U.S., so if it is REALLY as economically viable as claimed, we should be seeing massive imports (because it's cheaper and renewable... or claimed as such) of hemp products.

If it becomes profitable and big business gets on board, it will be legal in a heart beat...

I think the Commissioner of Agriculture in North Dakota would beg to differ. Here's his opinion of industrial hemp:

Listen to some of the numbers. As far as a market for the products, if the mindset that "hemp" and "pot" are the same could be changed with education, I'm sure the market for these products would increase.

Just my humble opinion, of course.
doohap

P.S. Just in case you haven't been catching him on MSM, it might surprise you to know that Ron Paul has been interviewed and called upon for his educated opinion -- now that the "stuff" is very close to hitting the fan -- on numerous prime time mainstream networks. His Campaign for Liberty also continues to grow. Make no mistake about it, Ron Paul has not left the building. He will no longer be a candidate for the presidency, however, he continues to work and fight for OUR liberties.

Thought you might want to know ...

doohap · #55 04/08/09, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pink_Carnation

Even if hemp became legal to grow ...the market would have to be built up for the products and there would need to be the places to process it.

Exactly! And what would be so bad about bringing some manufacturing BACK to the good ol' U S of A?!!! I mean, if we're going to spend billions on some sort of "stimulous", then why not invest in new and promising industry?

JohnL751 · #56 04/08/09, 09:26 PM

If you take the oil away as in WW2, hemp maybe becomes a crop worth growing.

beowoulf90 · #57 04/09/09, 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by tomstractormag

Hey!!! I live in west HEMPFIELD township. That count for anything?

Tom

If your are refering to West Hempfield, Lancaster County, PA, then Hi neighbor..

beowoulf90 · #58 04/09/09, 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Pink_Carnation

Even if hemp became legal to grow ...the market would have to be built up for the products and there would need to be the places to process it.

There are some in place already, just not in the US at the moment..
You can already/still buy hemp rope, hemp oils and other things made of hemp. You just can't grow it here..

chickenista · #59 04/09/09, 07:29 AM

Now... I am all for legalization of all forms of hemp. The good kind and the work horse kind.

But ..Stinging Nettles can be grown/used/woven etc... the same way.
Has been used for cloth for ages. Makes cloth that is softer and stronger than silk and can make a cloth that is stronger than canvas. It is a tough plant and a tasty plant without all of the wonderful/fun side effects.

Grow more Nettles!!!! HooRah!!!!!!

beowoulf90 · #60 04/09/09, 07:38 AM

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Originally Posted by chickenista

Now... I am all for legalization of all forms of hemp. The good kind and the work horse kind.

But ..Stinging Nettles can be grown/used/woven etc... the same way.
Has been used for cloth for ages. Makes cloth that is softer and stronger than silk and can make a cloth that is stronger than canvas. It is a tough plant and a tasty plant without all of the wonderful/fun side effects.

Grow more Nettles!!!! HooRah!!!!!!

There in lies the problem!

There are no side effects with hemp! People still think hemp and marijuana(sp) are the same, they are not the same! Hemp is considered the mother plant and has very low THC level. THC is the chemical that gets you high if you smoke it.. Well if you smoke hemp you won't get high! You may get sick!

IF you plant both together, the hemp plant wins and the MJ plant loses.. The MJ plant will be worthless to those who smoke it to get high...

Maybe that is the reason the Government won't allow us to grow hemp.. It would reduce their illegal drug trade.