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Old 09/14/08, 04:06 PM
 
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It really depends on use....

If you are "driving for Profit", You need a license. Period. Been that way since Old George ran the Kings road.

If it is for you moving your stuff to market. it is very different.
For instance in PA you can get A farm Plate. It's like 20 bucks. Then you can drive the truck or what ever without regard to most road "laws". Like inspection, weight limits, lights (only needed if you are driving at night).

So it depends.
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Old 09/14/08, 04:18 PM
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I've been researching "farm plates" for PA. Do you use them on anything Stan? Is there a minimum acreage needed for them? I have an old pickup I would like to use to get firewood, pick up manure, etc. but there is no way it would pass inspection (it's rusty).
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Old 09/14/08, 07:01 PM
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This was specifically speaking of taxes, not freedoms. The Amish have a right to move/ride buggies and it IS a part of their religion (as in what they are limited to) and as such it's none of the government's business. Much of our law is based on Common Law and the right to travel.

We've bought faulty goods that were passed on to us... things like: "Driving is a privilege" Uh, says who? If I were the Amish I wouldn't give into licensing, just like the Baptists didn't accept licensing to preach in the 1600 - 1800's here in the states.
Good thing somone said somthing, when I read that I was about to scream!
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I am very much for limited government but I have to agree somewhat with truckinguy some government control (ie. licensing) is necessary for safety sake. as a example someone with no training should not be driving a loaded semi it would greatly impact others right to life whereas a horse and buggy would have less effect to others right to life, is not capable of dangerous speeds like motor vehicle's.

as far as road taxes go the government already takes to much of my income in which I have no say where it goes so my position on that is they need to use my money wisely where it is most needed for those of us paying it.

My wonderful better half and I was talking just today about riding a horse to town. where would you park it at walmart? how long would it take to go say 15 miles or so?

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My wonderful better half and I was talking just today about riding a horse to town. where would you park it at walmart? how long would it take to go say 15 miles or so?

greg
I dunno, but I bet if you got enough people riding horses to Walmart they would have stalls and a 15 minute "shoe and feed" express center.
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Old 09/16/08, 07:20 AM
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Woman charged with misdemeanor for driving lawnmower on shoulder with suspended license:

http://www.lineofduty.com/content/view/98646/128/

When she saw the cops lights, she should have engaged the mower and started cutting!
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Old 09/16/08, 07:43 AM
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I dunno, but I bet if you got enough people riding horses to Walmart they would have stalls and a 15 minute "shoe and feed" express center.

lol, that' good, but having seen some of the techs at my local wally world, i don't think i would trust a walmart farrier with a horse of mine.
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Old 09/16/08, 07:47 AM
 
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The Amish in a town near here are in court because they won't display the triangle on their buggy's. Not sure how it will go yet.
And the Amish in Ky, or at least the part I know, have alot of slaughter houses restaurants etc. Some down by us in TN have Dairy's, Tack stores, they make saddles etc. Not many farm though.
In Mayfield Ky,I have seen alot of pretty young boys driving buggys in town. Behind horses I wouldn't think would go very far.

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Old 09/16/08, 10:57 AM
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"New York Riding on Public Roads Statutes"

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/roads/ny_roads.htm

I live in NY. Most of the main highways (55 MPH+) specifically state no horses, bicycles, pedestrians, etc.
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Old 09/16/08, 11:19 AM
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not to drift too far, but i have heard about people being busted for DUI on horseback. i wonder what happens then? do they still have the right to ride? lol
I was "busted" years ago for riding a horse while intoxicated. My case was dismissed, ONLY because at 3:00 am the police had nowhere to take a horse, (or way to get it there) so they put me back on it (with tickets in my hand) and sent me home. The judge dismissed it because (in his words)..."If I were sober enough they let me finish going home, then I was not in violation."

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Old 09/16/08, 11:26 AM
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My wonderful better half and I was talking just today about riding a horse to town. where would you park it at walmart? how long would it take to go say 15 miles or so?
You could go to the local discount place up here, Alco, or the fleet store and tie to the hitching post. Lots of Amish here. The walmart is in the next town over and they don't have the Amish population there or I'm sure the would have a hitching area!
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I've been researching "farm plates" for PA. Do you use them on anything Stan? Is there a minimum acreage needed for them? I have an old pickup I would like to use to get firewood, pick up manure, etc. but there is no way it would pass inspection (it's rusty).
Bob,

It's simple.
You have to make part of your income from farming.

But their are restrictions.
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Old 09/16/08, 12:32 PM
 
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You should not need a permit.

You don't need a permit in ohio or the like if you pay cash for a NEW car and ask for the cirt. of origin. That goes to the state often and they hold it so you have to have a plate on thier roads...but if you ask for it and you hold it your legal.

The Libertarian that ran for Gov. in our state drove this way fine...he was in court often but always won.

We have thought about getting a buggy also, need to buy a house ,land and horse first
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Old 09/16/08, 06:59 PM
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A horse and buggy does not cause the wear and tear on the roads that motor vehicles do so really should not have to pay the same road taxes.
You should see the double ruts in the road in Lancaster county PA. You can tell which roads are heavily travelled by the buggies.
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Old 09/16/08, 07:11 PM
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I don't need a permit to ride a bicycle.

I can ride it everywhere, without a helmet and seat belt! Lets ban those too!
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Old 09/17/08, 04:28 PM
 
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I don't need a permit to ride a bicycle.

I can ride it everywhere, without a helmet and seat belt! Lets ban those too!
I would imagine the nannies, fascists and safety nuts (redundancy alert) will require you to wear a helmet soon enough and also require you to register it with the state. If you're under 16 and riding without a helmet some places will confiscate the bike from you. After all, your children are property of the state and they don't want those brains damaged before they've had a chance to totally brainwash them into servitude and docility in the state run inconsideration academies.

http://wbztv.com/local/holliston.hel....2.815440.html
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Old 09/17/08, 09:43 PM
 
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"New York Riding on Public Roads Statutes"

http://asci.uvm.edu/equine/law/roads/ny_roads.htm

I live in NY. Most of the main highways (55 MPH+) specifically state no horses, bicycles, pedestrians, etc.
having driven my team and hitch for over a 1000 miles in Ny...heres the bottem line....horses have the right of way,in a team situation at least,as long as the road isn't an interstate,or posted as to being prohibited...of the 14 states the hitch and I have been in..I have the right of way,all I have yo do is put up my triangle....and as a courtesy...I try and let the cops know I am coming.....that Having been said...the NJ state police..on January 8th,closed the west bound lanes of Interstate 80 so I could cross the delaware river...it is amazing how far you can go on a little sense of adventure,and courtesy!!!!!
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Old 09/17/08, 10:06 PM
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Hey Lee, good to see you friend, we are living in Pa. now. FYI.
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