horse and buggie permits

seedspreader · #21 05/21/08, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

The Amish are forgetting Luke 20:25

And He said to them, "Then render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's."

This was specifically speaking of taxes, not freedoms. The Amish have a right to move/ride buggies and it IS a part of their religion (as in what they are limited to) and as such it's none of the government's business. Much of our law is based on Common Law and the right to travel.

We've bought faulty goods that were passed on to us... things like: "Driving is a privilege" Uh, says who? If I were the Amish I wouldn't give into licensing, just like the Baptists didn't accept licensing to preach in the 1600 - 1800's here in the states.

seedspreader · #22 05/21/08, 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

Amish exit farms to find work

The Amish move from farms to small businesses such as contracting has been under way for 20 years, said Donald B. Kraybill, a senior fellow at Young Center for Anabaptist and Pietist Studies at Elizabethtown College in Lancaster County.

"Half of all the Amish households in the country earn their living from nonfarm sources," Kraybill said. "That was 2 percent in 1950."

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pitt.../s_566576.html

Yes, many run lumber mills, retail shops, etc.

**ladycat** · #23 05/21/08, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by seedspreader

Yes, many run lumber mills, retail shops, etc.

There was a long article on one of the news sites a while back. A few areas of the country where the Amish used to farm have become so extremely unprofitable to farm (due to exploding land prices), that a majority of the Amish in those areas do no farming at all. They work at fast food joints, as cashiers in grocery stores, and so on.

There are even trailer parks where most of the residents are Amish.

seedspreader · #24 05/21/08, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

There was a long article on one of the news sites a while back. A few areas of the country where the Amish used to farm have become so extremely unprofitable to farm (due to exploding land prices), that a majority of the Amish in those areas do no farming at all. They work at fast food joints, as cashiers in grocery stores, and so on.

There are even trailer parks where most of the residents are Amish.

Hmmm, certainly not the case in Ohio.

**ladycat** · #25 05/21/08, 10:32 PM

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Originally Posted by seedspreader

Hmmm, certainly not the case in Ohio.

I don't remember where, but they had photographs.

Goatguy · #26 05/21/08, 11:06 PM

1/2 the Amish here in Mid Michigan make thier money from building furniture. Seems everyone wants "Amish made" tables, or beds, or whatnot. They seem to get by very well

Old Vet · #27 05/21/08, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

Except horses and buggies aren't what you would call farm equipment. They are used just like a family car. You don't normally load your family up on a tractor and drive them to Walmart.

Boy what noncence that statement is. I have driven my tractor to walmart and have fun with it but then you could say that you wount do it and it would make sence. That is what we call fredom of choice.

stickinthemud · #28 05/21/08, 11:22 PM

A lot of (carpentry-work) construction crews around here appear to be Amish.

**ladycat** · #29 05/21/08, 11:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Vet

Boy what noncence that statement is. I have driven my tractor to walmart and have fun with it but then you could say that you wount do it and it would make sence. That is what we call fredom of choice.

Of course I wouldn't. I'd have to drive it more than 25 miles and get on a busy freeway.

Quint · #30 05/22/08, 02:08 AM

You get this kind of ridiculousness when the government is allowed to license anything in the first place. We started down the very slippery slope when the decided out of thin air and in the face of constitutional precedence that driving was somehow a "privilege".

I can just imagine how Jefferson, Adams or Washington would have felt about having to pass a "riding test" administered by the state, be "granted" a license to ride or be forced to license their horse or carriage with the state. They probably never imagined a sane people would stand for such a thing.

lunagardens · #31 05/22/08, 04:41 AM

I just wanted to pipe in and say "you go guys!". I have told my husband I was going to do the same thing and he made fun of me. I told him Hay seems cheaper then gas... But then he just had to punch holes in my liberal tangent...

sidepasser · #32 05/22/08, 05:01 AM

There are no licensing requirements for a horse and buggy in Georgia. You must have some common sense though - lol. and usually the buggies/carts/wagons will have an orange triangle but it is NOT required to do so.

OP - call your state DOT, then call your state office which passes out Driver's Licenses (here it is done at the Ga. State Patrol offices)..find out YOURSELF what is required and not.

I would suggest though that you look into borium shoes for the horses as the pavement will wear out their hooves very quickly, and regular shoes will cause them to slip down.

Down here there are signs everywhere that say "Share the ROAD" and many, many Horsecrossing Signs or Horses ahead..

everyone has to ride on the sides of the roads here to get to trails..and we do have some smaller drafty type ponies pulling carts or buggies. People actually love to see them..and will take pics, stop, and use them as an excuse to be late for work..

make sure your ponies are traffic safe and have the owner demonstrate that - don't take anyone's word, a runaway in traffic can be life threatening.

Hope it works out..I pick up my new trail horse next week, likely if you were down here, you will see me riding her to the stores.

stranger · #33 05/22/08, 05:17 AM

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Originally Posted by neal68

has anyone heard about a law stating that a permit is needed to use a horse and buggie on ny state roads if you are not amish?
dw and i are seriously considering buying a pair of horses and buggie to go places and a friend heared that we might need to get a permit to do so.

no, you can hook up a team and go down the road pulling a load of hay, a mower, a rake or a plow. you may get some attention if you're on a hay ride at night in a city.
you have to have the triangle slow moving on the rear.

blufford · #34 05/22/08, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by ladycat

Lots of Amish don't even live on farms. What would you call their horses?

I would call them pferd.

backtotheland · #35 05/22/08, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by lunagardens

I just wanted to pipe in and say "you go guys!". I have told my husband I was going to do the same thing and he made fun of me. I told him Hay seems cheaper then gas... But then he just had to punch holes in my liberal tangent...

I second that, you go for it. I sent my daughter to school with the car this morning and she's keeping it at a friends house (I know, most think this is probably dumb but I trust her and her friends) because of the cost of gas. I told them all last night that when gas its $4.00 a gallon, and it's close, they better become real friendly with my Halflinger Napolean because that's going to be the mode of transportation for me.

HermitJohn · #36 05/22/08, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Quint

You get this kind of ridiculousness when the government is allowed to license anything in the first place. We started down the very slippery slope when the decided out of thin air and in the face of constitutional precedence that driving was somehow a "privilege".

I can just imagine how Jefferson, Adams or Washington would have felt about having to pass a "riding test" administered by the state, be "granted" a license to ride or be forced to license their horse or carriage with the state. They probably never imagined a sane people would stand for such a thing.

So maybe those illegals that drive without license and insurance are in fact true blue American patriots?

Goatguy · #37 05/22/08, 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Quint

You get this kind of ridiculousness when the government is allowed to license anything in the first place. We started down the very slippery slope when the decided out of thin air and in the face of constitutional precedence that driving was somehow a "privilege".

I can just imagine how Jefferson, Adams or Washington would have felt about having to pass a "riding test" administered by the state, be "granted" a license to ride or be forced to license their horse or carriage with the state. They probably never imagined a sane people would stand for such a thing.

= Apple

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn

So maybe those illegals that drive without license and insurance are in fact true blue American patriots?

= Orange

Truckinguy · #38 05/22/08, 10:46 AM

I think driving is a privilege. You have the right to do anything you want until it affects me. If you abuse that privilege by driving like an idiot, drunk driving, speeding excessively etc., you deserve to have that right taken away. I understand that some people drive without a licence and some people with licences shouldn't have one but no system is perfect. The sytem we have now is a lot safer than if we just let everyone do whatever they like. If everyone wanted to just drive whatever they wanted to on the road, think of all the unsafe vehicles that would be on the road. We have a driver and vehicle licencing system to try to maintain a high level of safety on our roads and for the most part, it's working. I understand rights and freedoms but we live in a community where ones actions affect other people. If you want complete freedom to do whatever you want with no one telling you what to do, go find an island in the middle of the ocean and enjoy.

Beaners · #39 05/22/08, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Truckinguy

I think driving is a privilege. You have the right to do anything you want until it affects me. If you abuse that privilege by driving like an idiot, drunk driving, speeding excessively etc., you deserve to have that right taken away.

The problem is you are confusing rights and privileges. The two terms are NOT interchangeable.

Kayleigh

michiganfarmer · #40 05/22/08, 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by HermitJohn

So maybe those illegals that drive without license and insurance are in fact true blue American patriots?

they sure are. the essence of being an american used to be beligerence in the face of authority.

Anymore everyone is like, "oh please may I have permission to live"?, "please may I have permission to go where I want?", Please may I have permission to shelter my family from the elements?". A whole bunch of crap.