Snoopers/Snooping

I live on a public road, BUT ITS NOT A PUBLIC PARK! since I own the land under it I feel fully justified in telling someone to move on. Recently the road commisioner has added closed when wet signs so that will help even more there is nearly always water in oneof theholes along it.

I got deer cameras in a few select locations and have found people wandering about. Several years ago this was a hunting club then it was abandoned pine tree farm that belonged to a large paper company.

Before we lived here we posted along any access road (2) and then posted along anything that could have been used for a trail then we followed the survey line and posted every 100ft there on the trees.

It has been 1 year now and the camera's are not showing much if anything now human wise. It's tough to fence this property since nothing is flat, we got a small river crossing the back, cutting off 1/3 of the property and only accessable by foot. Video will be going up eventually but that will not help much at night but my ears and my AR-15 carbine will. Funny how far you can hear at night and funny how people see a AR-15 that looks like what the military are using every night on TV and they assume you are a maniac armed with a machine gun.

By the way do not post "Owner Armed and Dangerous" or things like that. It just proves intent and will make things difficult for you when you try to get out of jail. Yes, if you got to shoot someone even on your property the chances are good that you will be arrested till' proven innocent. Silly funny signs will get you into more trouble than you need even if you are on your own property and if you think you can shoot someone for just trespassing think again. Just 2 years ago some guy in Florida freaked out in the middle of the night when someone was at his door, he opened it and shot the person. It was a high school kid that his friends said was playing a prank, the guy is safe now...in prison.

We may wish we can shoot at anyone tresspassing or posing what we KNOW is a threat but in actuality we will be giving up our freedom for frugal living in jail. What we can do is be ready to fire if necessary but that is about it. Don't know about you but if I confront someone on my property I am not going to threaten "show my cards" and let them walk away. If I were to confront someone it is confront and DETAIN. I am not going to give them the upper hand to get the drop on me 2-3 days later while I am asleep or with 5-6of their friends and better armed. I'll detain and call the sheriff, at the very least it will be documented so when they come back and I do have to shoot it may save me from having to be hauled away and hiring a lawyer to prove I am innocent. This may not be for everyone but having once worn a badge I think I know enough on how to detain while alone, it's not safe but I'll never be an average Joe anymore like it or not. We have lot's of people here who know how to detain but I am sure a lot of others where it would be more dangerous to hold someone than just arm themselves and call for the authorities. Use your best judgement, they do not say DNR officers have one of the most dangerous jobs for law enforcement out there. They/All of us are out in the middle of nowhere, usually alone, and often without communications dealing with people who most likley have guns all you have is your brain and skills to back you up, hopefully with lots of copper and lead.

I live in an urban nieghborhood on a street with houses that are closer together than I like, so unfortunately I deal with alot of tresspassing and am getting soo sick of it.

Yhe neighbors on the left of me have company all the time and I ahve had more than one arguement about them allowing their company to park in front of my house while their curbside remains empty. I am also constantly picking up beer bottles from my lawn which I have started to just toss over into their grass. I have lovely roses which the local kids decided it was ok to steal, especially the lavender ones, which I have decided to move. I have a small pond in my front yard and the locals think it's ok to just walk up and look at my fish, I have been polite so far but why do they think it's ok to just walk up and water gaze for minutes at a time while I'm inside? I always keep my back gate closed and locked but have had more than one kid hop the fence to mess around the back pond, play with my kids basketball hoop and generally plunder around my yard. I am currently worried that when my garden starts to produce they will be stealing everything I have.

Just this morning I had to chase some kids off my front lawn and pick up candy wrappers and coke cans they left behind. They were playing basketball in the street and thought it would be fine to use my lawn as a resting spot and hang their jackets on my mailbox! One of the boys partially ripped the mailbox door off when he removed his jacket and his father is being unreasonable about replacing it. According to him it could be patched, I was making a fuss about nothing...kids will be kids he says.

GGrrr... I wish I had the privacy some of you have! Unfortunately if I fired warning shots or shined spotlights at people someone would called the police and I would be the one carted off, LOL.

Missouri Castle Doctrine.

563.036. 1. A person in possession or control of premises or a person who is licensed or privileged to be thereon, may, subject to the provisions of subsection 2 of this section, use physical force upon another person when and to the extent that he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent or terminate what he reasonably believes to be the commission or attempted commission of the crime of trespass by the other person.

2. A person may use deadly force under circumstances described in subsection 1 of this section only:

(1) When such use of deadly force is authorized under other sections of this chapter; or

(2) When he reasonably believes it necessary to prevent what he reasonably believes to be an attempt by the trespasser to commit arson or burglary upon his dwelling; or

(3) When entry into the premises is made or attempted in a violent and tumultuous manner, surreptitiously, or by stealth, and he reasonably believes that the entry is attempted or made for the purpose of assaulting or offering physical violence to any person or being in the premises and he reasonably believes that force is necessary to prevent the commission of a felony.

3. The defendant shall have the burden of injecting the issue of justification under this section.]

Florida has a Castle Doctrine, and also had it when this guy did the shooting. Most of these doctrine's sound great, and try to make you feel good but bottom line is that they will twist things and still try to hang you for it. I for one belive in the Castle Doctrine and also it's extension to car/truck/motorcycle as Florida has also done.

I also do not belive for one second that if fit were to hit the shan and I did not have full clear proof that I was in danger that I would not be taken to prison and either way prison or not I am sure any of us would have to end up hiring an attorney. I don't know what I could cope with better, prison or the cost of an attorney to prove that I did everything right!

It's not what it looks to be on TV, the fallout has been reported to be a real PIA. Some well known trainers that have come from law enforcement will teach you to get ready. Chances are they will search your home for any more weapons and take them too for "the investigation" even though you were not in posession of it at the time of the act. Guess you may as well hire that lawyer too so he can get your gun's back once you are proven innocent, at YOUR EXPENSE.

As far as I'm concerned if I can see it from the road and take it without getting caught, they you are too stupid to have any rightful ownership of it.

Pete


Let's see how many crazed maniacs that draws out

It only takes ONE with a gun.....

But they may not be crazed maniacs - they might be someone who is protecting their property......

That's funny. We have a friend that has lost 3 chainsaws because he likes to leave them out where people traveling along the dirt road by his house stop and take them. We have gotten tired of it and now when we see that his saw has been sitting out for more than a day we move it inside for him. He usually calls about two days later asking if we happened to see his saw and that someone must've stolen it again. Dh tells him where it's at and he gets annoyed and relieved at the same time. He is getting very knowledgeable about buying new saws since he does it so often. That is a combination of him being careless and people being thieves.

Well you can't see my place from the road,not much goes up or down the road.But my Dogs let me know if someone does.I run everyone off.

Stupidest thing I ever had was couple young kids come up here lost.It was cold.Asked them where their Dad was?He is Deer hunting,left us by the Creek.

Well at the time I didn't have a Phone,so I loaded them up and took them to the Creek on Goverment Land,mile away,didn't see no Vehical,boys didn't know where they were.

So i take them to a Phone,start calling the Sheriff,then comes Conservation Agent with their Dad.Seems he came from out of state and was hunting on my land,left the boys by my spring while he was gone.I wasn't very happy.

Funniest thing I ever seen was a Girl had someone harassing her at night.Well she seen someone pull in her drive,so she calls her DB and DF.They drive over,the Vehical takes off they was chasing it.Her DB turned his Pickup over,he was ok,but that was the only reason they give up the chase.

Come to find out from listening to the Scanner it was a Sheriff Deputy that was lost and didn't know who was after him.You could hear his panic over the Scanner,"HELP ME!!"

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We call that (leaving stuff out in sight of the road) putting up "Steal Me" signs...

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We live of a very used road, and the police are always working it. Funny thing is when I have all my dogs in the yard "playing" and they pull someone over in front of my house they all run to the fence and bark the entire time. I always walk out there and monitor the dogs, once the State trooper walked to the fence laughing and told me the dispatcher asked if he was in front of my house....because of all the dogs. hehehe. I will offer them tea or soda when they are out there. I like them working our road. I have had a few people pull in and ask if I am selling my sheep. I always walk out with my big black gsd who is very scary looking and stop about 10 feet away and talk to them. She just stares. I have never had anyone come back.


Once when I had my other property, I noticed that a truck and trailer pulled up and let out the dogs and were rounding up the cows. It wasn't the owner of the place so I call the police and told them I was headed out with the dogs and the shotgun...I fired off a couple of shots near them and got the tires of the truck, so they couldn't leave, the police picked them up they had been steeling cows from a few of the neighbors places. I was the only one living out there. I was in the tree line so they couldn't see me.. Thank God for the military Police training. They were caught and all the neighbors would stop buy and offer me help...being the little lady that saved them from loosing their cows. All I had to do was mention that I needed help, and 5-6 of them would show up and get to work.

Sounds like you all live in some great nighbor hoods ,Dont you ever do anything about the thieves?

I am fairly confident about not being prosecuted in my County for CD violation. Had a guy found dead, tied to his bed..was ruled a suicide..lol

Sounds like Trolling to me

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I had a man pull his truck up in my yard, drive under my apple tree, stand in the bed of his truck, and started gathering apples. I stopped mowing the yard, got the shot gun. walked down and asked him " What in the h%$# he thought he was doing?" He said "picking these apples". I said " you don't leave you will be picking bird shot out of your dumb self". He was only about 50 yards from my front door. People..

Our cops won't come down this road, like one said, how can i look at womens behind getting out of their cars if i'm out in the country..one of them is so fat that he broke the steering wheel off the car pulling himself in it, i'couldn't believe it when i saw the Ford garages bill, all one has to do is look at all then rubber on the rd where the kids have fried their tires at night to know that it isn't patrolled
I have a long dirt driveway that my dogs patrol right up to their invisable fence so people don't come around very often.
it's best to just go out every few months in the summer and let a few rounds off, especially when a couple lovers are parked in the hay field, word gets around fast.

We call that (leaving stuff out in sight of the road) putting up "Steal Me" signs...
well a theif is lower than a democreat in my book.so take your chances & swipe my stuff. also I read about idiots shooting game & livestock & letting them lay... I had someone shoot a turkey gobbler & all they took was the beard... what scum.., I found a nice hog & all they took was ONE back strap.SCUM, SCUM,SCUM.

It's like they say - "padlocks are for HONEST people". In a perfect world, you SHOULD be able to leave your chainsaw next to the road (or in your pickup) and not have some worthless POC steal it.

Back when I worked as a Factory Service Tech for a Mobile Home Manufacturer, I had a 24' box truck full of parts and tools. One morning at about 0400, I went out and unlocked the side door of the box to put some stuff in. I went back inside for my suit case (lived in town at that time). When I came back out (4-5 minutes later) I heard noises coming from the truck. I dropped my suitcase, and came up to the now open side door through the shadows. I could see someone standing in the doorway looking around. I reached up, grabbed his belt and tossed him to the ground. Before he hit I had ahold of him so I could "rough him up". He bounced off the side of the truck real well (several times), all the while yelling at me (in Spanish) that he didn't speak English. Since I don't claim to speak Spanish, he kept boucing (what DOES No Mas! No Mas! mean......?). Turned out to be an illegal about 27-28 years old. At any rate, I let the cops have him when I was done. Told them he "tripped".
I got no use for theives or illegals. Put the two together and I REALLY don't much care what happens to them.

I think there is a guy out in Kansas who would leave your tools alone.
Many years ago I caught a beautiful PINK copperhead snake out in Utah.
Wanting to bring him home but not wanting him loose in the cab with me I emptied out a tool box and put him in there.I added a bit of wire to the hasp to keep him in.
STILL not wanting him in the cab I put the toolbox as far back on the trailer as I could and put a rubber strap over it to hold it down.
Coming out of a dinner in Kansas I saw the box was moved and the wire was off. Some no good low down rascal had tried to steal my tools.!

BUT

I bet he keeps his hands out of other peoples toolboxes now!

You realize that is a felony, right? Maybe you shouldn't admit to felonies on a public posting board...

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