New Ebay Fees

well you are allowed your opinion.

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I guess you didn't read everything.

LEAVING FEEDBACK IS NOT A REQUIREMENT. ITS A VOLUNTARY SYSTEM.

I guess when you go to the store and the clerk doesn't say "have a nice day" you also make sure they are reprimanded. Possibly even fired.

THE FEEDBACK SYSTEM IS VOLUNTARY, NOT A REQUIREMENT OF E BAY.

But you won't care about that.

I am a seller on eBay. I never leave feedback on any transaction until I know the customer is satisfied. To leave feed back right after a prompt payment is saying case closed, good transaction, the end. But it is not the end, the customer has not even received the item yet. How can I leave feed back if the customer is not satisfied yet?

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Alot can happen with a transaction after the buyer has paid for the item. To me leaving feedback after payment is received, is like saying to the buyer

You paid thank you-- All I wanted is your money and I don't care if it gets broken or lost in the mail, cause I'm done with you.

Is that how you want to be treated as a buyer?

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Shelby

forgot to say that,

as a seller, I leave feedback (I don't leave retalitory feedback, I leave honest feedback) after it is left for me, or once I am informed by the buyer through email or message that everything is okay and that they are happy.

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Shelby

well apparently in one case here, the answer is yes.

That's how you GET treated lots of times by sellers, and they say so right in the description: "After I leave it at the post office it's out of my hands". I don't mind a reminder from sellers to purchase insurance for shipping, as that's reasonable, but I see descriptions so long by sellers describing what they won't do for you that my eyes glaze over. No bid from me on those. I know they do this because of bad experiences, but they are treating good buyers like me like they don't trust me. Well, guess what, I don't like that and I bid elsewhere. I may not expect a friendly experience, but I do expect a neutral experience. I'm not going to deal with folks I find offensive in their description. I'd walk out of a store if I were treated that way so I'll click out of an auction that does the same thing.

Michigan Farmer is right: My part of the deal is done when I pay. Now I sit and wait for 1) the buyer to come through with the item, and 2) for that product to be as advertised. That's the SELLERS part of the deal. We aren't leaving feedback on the whole transaction, just the other persons part in it. My leaving feedback first has nothing to do with the transaction. If a seller wants to leave feedback second, fine. Just don't tell me that's how you do it, because if you do then you don't get feedback from me at all. Like Max said, it's game playing and I don't have time for that. You tell me you only leave feedback after I do and that's blackmail that if I don't leave positive feedback, I'll get negative feedback. In other words, pay and shut up.


Jennifer---->Who has sold on ebay before and had buyers who were complete psychos.

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well, some of us have different intrepretations of feedback on eBay. I will cut and paste what eBay says about it.

"While leaving Feedback is voluntary, eBay encourages all members to leave Feedback after each transaction is complete. There are different philosophies on whether the buyer or seller should leave Feedback first. Each member may choose the best approach to leaving Feedback for them."

For a seller, the transaction is not complete until we hear from our satisfied customer who has received our product.

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My opinion exactly.

You must not have read the post I made after this one, When the seller is informed of the buyer receiving the product, and is happy with it, if that be by ways of feedback or email, then the transaction is over and I leave feedback.

If something happened and the buyer is not happy, then the transaction is not over and there is further communication and transacting involved, So it is not over yet.



But according to a couple of posts here, that is not the case, the sellers part of the transaction is over once the buyer pays. because that is when the seller is to leave feedback.

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Shelby

Max,

Maybe I am stupid, and have been accused of that before, but I really have a hard time seeing where your integrity is being questioned, or if someone is playing games with you.

I sold a mixer once on ebay that I bought at an estate sale. Over a month went by, and I asked the buyer to leave positive feedback. She replied that the mixer was junk, and would leave a neutral if she left anything.

I replied, and I refunded her money, shipping included. The buyer won in this case, and I was out $18 total. It was a good experience for her on ebay.

Because I didn't leave FB right away, was I at fault? Did I ever question her integrity?

I should note that if I were left a neg before being contacted, I am pretty much done with the buyer. In my opinion, everything in the world can be worked out before a neg is left. Just contact me in a reasonable time frame.

As well, I just bought a lathe manual from a seller. She left positive FB right away. When I got the item, it was very dirty and junked up. I need the manual, so I am going to keep it. She said that it was used, but readable; it was just more used that I expected.

How would it be fair if I left a neg for the seller?

I guess we view the world in a totally different way. The way I see it, the buyer has the seller over a barrel, with the ability to leave feedback, or at least threaten to do so.

Because the buyer has the power of FB, I have eaten a few items that I shouldn't have. I know they were sent. It is not my fault that they were lost by the post office. Both items went to different buyers in Oklahoma and shipped on the same day.

Have you had bad experiences as a buyer on ebay? Did you try to resolve them with the seller?

Have you ever sold on ebay?

Just curious.

Clove

All but one of my neutrals and negatives come out of the blue. Buyer didn't contact me they had a problem with a transaction. Ain't no way eBay can fix that.

On my eBay descripitons I generally try to describe something as worse than that it is. Let the buyer be pleasantly surprised rather than disappointed.

I predominately sell through my eBay store. Lowering listing fees won't help me much as a result.

MichiganFarmer,
What is your ebay identity? I'll go ahead and block you now, just in case you find an interest in one of my items. Nip it in the bud, so to speak.

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I have an ebay score right now of 741, and a total of 818 positives with no negatives. I have recieved 3 neutrals, and didn't expect nor deserve any of them. All three failed to contact me first. Two of the three had VERY bad FB, and the third guy had less than 6 FB total. In all actuality, I felt like leaving negs for all three, even though I used restraint and common sense, and left nothing at all. I think anyone with a brain knows that there are some folks that can't, or refuse to be satisfied at all. With this in mind, I don't really think it hurts my reputation with potential buyers.

Clove

Good point, Clovis. I always hope that people look at my actual numbers, not just the percentage. I have 72 positives and 1 negative (giving me only 98.6), and with closer inspection, anyone can see that the professed nun is no longer allowed on ebay.

I wonder how many more positives I'll need to get that percentage up? Guess I oughtta get selling... since I don't really need to buy anything.

ETA: Oh, YAY! I just realized that one of the feedback changes is: "Feedback more than 12-months old won't count towards your Feedback percentage." That will put me at 100%! And another one..."When a member is suspended, all their negative and neutral Feedback will be removed."

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What is bad for you is that you happened to catch a loonatic buyer with a low FB rating. I am sorry to say that I probably wouldn't bid on your items unless it was a super good deal, or if I really wanted that item. I do alot of skim reading while looking for the best deal/price. Then when I have it found the best ones, I take a good look at feedback before commit.

You, as a seller, get hurt because of one person who is crazy, and or cannot be satisfied.

Clove

I just got a msg. from pay pal saying that I have to "upgrade" to accept my latest payment from a shopper. Now Pay pal is getting their chunk too. By the time I pay e-bay and then pay pal, then the post office - I had better have made money cause it would sure be easy to loose money

that sounds fishy to me. I receive many scam messages from PayPal phishers. Do you know how to tell if it is legit? It is not normal for PayPal to request an upgrade, be very cautious!!

Paypal has always gotten their chunk.

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You have a personnal account, right? You should have already pgraded your account to a premier account or business account.

They made that rule in 2006, All sellers that accept paypal must accept all forms of paypal payments.

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Shelby

yep, sounds like you got had by a fisher!