Child Protective Services--what goobers

"It amazes me that a 22yr old, childless person, can tell me whats best for my son because she has a degree or certificate."

Amen! We were turned into DFACS about 2 years ago by one of my dd friends. The girl was big time trouble and we decided our dd would no longer be spending time with her, or associating with her in any way. She called DFACS and told them we had beaten our dd black and blue! Now this was 3 weeks after we had broken up the friendship, so the brat didn't think we would be able to prove our innocence. What she didn't know was the same day that we found out what all had been going on, we had taken our dd to the police station. Their report was what proved our innocence. But the fresh out of college, no husband or children social worker still tried to get us to sign a paper saying that we would never beat our child again! My dh refused and said he was not going to sign something that was worded that way, since it sounded like we were admitting to beating our child before. She crossed out that sentence and then wrote that we agreed we would never use corporal punishment on our children. We signed that because we don't need to do that with them anyway. She found out by the individual private questioning she did with each child how we discipline our kids. We take away priviledges and give them extra chores. (I was afraid the chores was gonna be considered abuse by her!) One of my sons told me later he would rather take a whipping than lose his priviledges and do all those chores!

Now keep in mind, I don't think all CPS workers are evil. But here is GA a lot of children have died or suffered terribly because they didn't follow through. And on the flip side, you have those people who try to raise their children right who get reported out of vengence or by someone who doesn't know the family but happens to see a child get a spanking in a parking lot or restaurant.

A friend of mine was eating at a diner a few years ago. There was a man eating there with a boy about 3 yrs old. The child kept jumping out of the booth, not eating his food, and disturbing the other customers. After making him sit back down several times, and telling him to eat, the boy did it one more time. The dad swatted him once on the behind and sat him back down and told him that was his last chance to eat his lunch. About 15 minutes later a policeman showed up. A lady in the diner had called them. They were going to arrest the man for child abuse! All the other diners stood up for the guy and the police backed off and left him alone. I'm sorry, I don't see a swat on the behind as abusive.

Several years ago we lived in a subdivision. One of our neighbors was a DFACS worker. She was divorced with 3 daughters. Every weekend she went out of town with her boyfriend and left her girls alone. The younger one would come to our house a lot to play with my girls because her older sister would hit her in the head with the telephone. She would stay all day. No one ever called or came looking for her. She came and went as she pleased, Fri. night thru Sun. night. Yet, her mother was one of the people who could make a judgement call on whether someone was a fit parent or not! PLEASE!

yeah i think we need to shut them down. when we lived in town my nazi neighbors always called on me cause my kids weren't in school(homeshcooled). oh yeah and some bonehead reported me for endangering my baby because we don't vaccinate. the lady was a complete b**** and wanted to talk to my kids. yeah right you psycho! got a warrant? of course not. so get off my porch! "i don't have to have a warrant" yes you do, now leave and come back when you've got yourself a proper education!! those boneheads think they are above the law. a big pain in my arse!! of course now that we live in the country i just get accused of puppy thievin!! haha.

So they're Nazi neighbors because they were concerned? Did you ever talk to them, tell 'em WHY the kids aren't in ps? What about all the kids who might have HAD something going on in their lives that were saved by nosy neighbors?

After reading this erratic post, i'm glad I don't live in your neighborhood.

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Yes, she is still with her mother part time. They ended up with shared custidy. CPS was our only hope because the Guardian ad liten said it was not her responsibility to protect the child. CPS said it was the courts responsibility to protect the child. Not theres either. In court the Guardian ad liten, cps, and the court appointed spch. all worked together for the mother. Our lawyer caught them all in lies. The GAL was trying to get custidy for the mother. Unreal. They did not care about the child. I dont believe grandaughter is being physically abused anymore. She can talk now and she is going to a abuse counsilor. But I do believe she is getting metally abused. we can not do anything about that. The legal system is abused by lawyers. We had 7 lawyers trying to get something done. In the end we found out they all work together You scratch my back I will scratch yours. We had to get a lawyer of out of town. If CPS would of done there job this child would of not of had to go thru all of this abuse. Beware of CPS and beware of lawyers.

Child Protective Services is one area I'd like more of my tax money spent on, not less. Just like the DMV office, CPS is not all that effective when there's not enough employees hired to do the job efficiently. Pretty sad that such a wealthy nation doesn't support the addition of more social workers when there is such an obvious need. Even sadder that we have so many losers in our country requiring our tax money to guard against their irresponsible and unbelievably destructive behaviors.

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I have seen CPS nearly ruin a family. Well to do, everything geared to the welfare and well being of the child, kind of family. At school the child told a teacher she was sad. CPS was called and a brand new inexperienced case worker jumped on them from every angle imaginable. The first day, had the parents take the child to the hospital asap. and then tried to take the child from her parents and nearly whisked her off to a State Mental Hospital in the middle of the night.

By this time the child and parents were terrified. A compromise was reached at the last minute and the child was admitted to a private hospital closer to home. A very expensive hospital. After months of forced family counseling, another huge expense, and unannounced home visits, nerve wracking, the case was totally dropped and they were told, verbally, that it never should have happened in the first place.

Well, ah shucks, she was brand new and didn't know any better. I guess this is on the job training, send little people out with lots of power and no experience or oversite.

Well I have been on all sides of CAS/CPS. I was a ward of the court from 11-16 because of an abusive father.

Then when I had children...my ex hubby abused my son and I lost him for 7 months. Because they could not prove who did it...they took him. When my ex confessed about a week after they took him..he was arrested and sent to Jail. I thought since he was gone and I left him..and he admitted it...I would get my son back. NOOOO..I had to prove to them I could keep him safe. WELL DUH!! What did they want..I left the man who beat him..restraining order and all...div etc.and still..they wanted more.

Later in life...I became a foster mother for friends of mine who lost their kids. They asked CAS if I could watch them. My new hubby and I took classes and such..and became foster parents to my friends little girls. We also worked with my friends on parenting skills...how to clean the house, feed the kids and so on. They got their girls back in about 6 months.

I live in the US now...and well when my dh and I split up for a few years. CPS got involved all because they miss-understood something my dd said. My dd has ADHD, ODD and a few other probs..so for a while she needed medication..(not that I agree with that..but at the time there was no real alternative).cause she was very violent towards me, my son and people at school..and well they miss-understood her when she was on the meds..so CPS took her...well...I had to take parenting classes. I did all they asked and she was allowed to come home a few months later. Then they apologized to me when they realized the error. I told them with her ODD...she was very violent and abusive and lied a lot. So then she was the one that got the lecture from them about lying.

Now I have a friend who just got two of her kids taken away last thursday. Nosy neighbor called them. You see her oldest son watches the two younger ones for about an hr till she gets home from work. Well her ds decided to take off and go see his friend instead of waiting for his 5 year old sister to get off the bus. Well this nosy neighbor runs a day care...and she knows my friend...she could have taken the girl in and just called her at work. How is it my friends fault that her ds did not stay there? I know I know..some can say it is her job to have adequate child care...well she does...her oldest son...who was rebellious that day. Either way I think it was not necessary...the neighbor could have taken her in and called her. Well When CPS came in because they are renovating an old house...they said it wasnt suitable for the kids and took two of them. The only reason they did not take the other is because he has Aspergers Syndrome (Autisim) and that would be detrimental to his well being. Now she has to jump through hoops to appease them. Her hubby is a trucker..and has no time to fix the house...she has no idea how to fix it...so my ds and I are doing it for her.


All in all...they do have their purpose. I mean many children would be dead if not for them intervening ...I know I am grateful they took me away from my Dad....BUT...when they come in and take kids for no reason, when they could simply provide some outside help...or actually take the time to verify what is truth and such..that is what gets me. Or in my case...like when I was young..they kept sending me home to my parents where my dad could abuse me...and then one social worker...as sick as this is..told me in court.."that because it took me so long to report the abuse..ie tell my mom..that I must have liked it" This lady was a piece of work...and needs psycological help if she thinks like that.

I have seen the GOOD..the BAD and the UGLY with them...Been on all sides of it...and sometimes...wish they would get their heads out of the textbook...and get to reality....Life is not a textbook event...

OK...Nuff Said...

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I have to say that if they ever showed up and wanted to take one of my kids away because I spank them or they had too many toys or whatever, I would end up on the news because they would have to pry the gun from my dead fingers before they left the house with any of my children. Thats just the truth. I do see the need for CPS and know there are children alive today who wouldnt be without CPS. But, they are way to aggressive without substantiated proof of reported deeds. They do not folllow innocent until proven guilty, they do not need any type of proof, they will react with whatever actions they want to. All it takes is a single report of misbehavior from anyone and they will make your life a living hell.

Exactly....they do not take the time to prove anything...they take first..and check facts later. The sick thing about all this...the state gets more money allocated to them if they have custody of more kids. So if they want to keep state funds..they take more kids...and foster parents...*shaking my head* get paid a lot of money...and half of it never even gets spent on the child they have..(Not all are like that...BUT many are)

Maybe in a perfect world...if everyone would be neighborly and help one another..there would be no need for CAS/CPS

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It's a tough job - they are dammed if they don't act when folks think they should, and dammed when they do act when folks think they shouldn't.

Just doing away with the department isn't going to solve any problems. If you don't like how it is run, try getting involved - become a volunteer - and find out what really is going on and how you can help make things better.

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I’ve been on the bad side of CPS for a long, long time. It started right after my stepdaughter at age 14 made false abuse allegations against us so that she could live with her never do well mother. It was the only way for her mother to gain custody since she has a nice long criminal record including 26k of welfare fraud & didn’t want to pay child support of $20 a week for 2 children (she had been gone for 7 years previous). CPS’s investigation was so screwed up I couldn’t believe it!! I had no idea that this kind of b.s. could happen to a nice, normal, upper middle class family. We never did anything wrong, EVER in the raising our kids. Heck except for one speeding ticket we never had anything to do with the law, ever. But yet we stood threatened, demeaned & accused. Our government clearances we figured where a thing of the past. Our family & finances took a devastating hit trying to prove that nothing happened. Good lawyers don’t work for free, great lawyers are expensive! If this could happen to us I could only imagine what it was doing to those less fortunate & unable to afford legal representation.

It was my wakeup call; I had been so previously naive. We didn’t take it in silence but told everyone that would listen. That’s when I started in family advocacy to help people understand their rights. A few years back I was sued in civil court by 2 case workers. Yeah apparently they had to quit their jobs under duress because I interfered with their positions and they lived in fear of me. Boohoo. Ah, why you might ask? Because I was working with a family where they took the children away for *clutter*. These wenches would tell these young parents one thing then lie to the judge’s face about it. VA is a one party taping state so a little voice activated recorder put a stop to the lies & they were given harsh notice by the judge. The children where returned the same day. The workers case(s) was dismissed (as was my countersuit for harassment).

In another case the worker took the infant away because the baby was in a crib with a bumper. “Babies don’t need bumpers, you need parenting classes before you can have your child returned…” Three weeks later the foster Mum e-mails a photo to the girl of the baby, in a crib, with a bumper. HUH?

Something is seriously wrong with a system that takes young adults, fresh out of college, with very minimal life experiences, most not even having children of their own, gives them six weeks of training then sends out into the streets to determine who is a fit parent & who is not. I have had several state that they have more power then the police (ONLY if you let them!!) The states also give them a quota to meet & there are no states that I know of have mental health evaluations of their social workers. Heck just look how many here in VA that were caught ripping off the state for hurricane assistance a few years ago!! The statistics prove that they system is not working yet nothing is being done about it!!

In closing my rant, I would like to say that we are each but one false abuse allegation away from having our lives totally destroyed. If you have cute children under the age of five in your household you can triple that risk (they like em’ young & sweet, easier to adopt out that way!). If your children are removed & placed in non relative foster care for 15 out of 22 months then they will be adopted out & there is little you can do about it. CPS can have you jumping thru hoops for those 15 months trying to get your children back but in those 15 months when you think you are doing right, you haven't met *your goal* according to them....goodbye kiddo's!! It pays to spend even one hour to learn your parental rights & the right way to handle CPS if you are ever unfortunate enough to have that encounter.

KAT

CPS at work great job

What was their crime ?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/...von/7206570.stm

Last May I called CPS Hotline at the request of my step-grandson, 12. He lives with my 36 yr. old son's ex-girlfriend. They also have a 9 yr. old daughter together. They broke up 4 yrs ago. He has since married. After the breakup, my son began telling me how abusive she was to her son, since he could walk. Bruises, deep scratches from her long fingernails, constant screaming at him. All when he was only 2 to 6 yrs. old. When the boy began telling myself and my husband, who he calls Grandpa, we went to my son and asked him if he could do anything, or would. He laughed it off or grew defensive. So, when the boy begged me to help him, I racked my brains for a few hours, asked him to talk to his school counselor etc. Finally, I called the Hotline, gave my name and how I was related. They let the kids go back to their mother's for the last week of school after much talk with my son who managed to lie to them and blame me for interfering. The next week, after the mother used mental tortures on the boy (no privacy in bathroom, light aimed at his bed all night etc.), he was placed with his sister at my son's home. After a few weeks, the case was dropped. They found a marijuana bong, well used, in the livingroom when they did the home visit right on the TV. After summer was over, my son returned the children to their mother. No fines, no court, nada. Of course, my son banned me all summer from seeing the kids. I had to sneak to see them, their stepmom is a wonderful loving mother and we just accidentally met at the river. But, now they have moved to St. Louis and are staying with a female friend in a house so filthy and full of roaches, the kids won't take their Xmas stuff home. My initial impression was excellent, the dropping of the case and ,this was the second call on the mother, was horrified. Just my own experience.

When I worked at the bank, all managers got a memo re: the dress code. One "rule" was appropriate undergarments were to be worn. Told my boss I was not about to check my staff to see if they were in compliance. Yeesshhh.....

Only way I see too many toys being a hazard is if the house only had a path in and out, e.g. a safety concern.

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[QUOTE=Selena]When I worked at the bank, all managers got a memo re: the dress code. One "rule" was appropriate undergarments were to be worn. Told my boss I was not about to check my staff to see if they were in compliance. Yeesshhh.....



HAHAHAHAHA...I can just see that happening some day. The way this world is going..so full of control freaks...Sad but true

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I've had to deal with CYS a few times, the first time was after my children's father refused to return DD on time then threatened me so I got a restraining order, he retaliated by calling Children and Youth at the time I had let my 18 yo pregnant cousin move in with me after my aunt kicked her out and her boyfriend came by and stayed with her often, my child's father claimed all sorts of nasty things were going on. Ended up when they did my home inspection the woman asked if I could write a pamphlet on baby proofing a house, I was 23 pregnant with my second and still had a safer home in her eyes then some of the foster homes. Case was closed. Six years later I had a problem with the local PS over my son's treatment at the school, he has some health problems and they would not follow through with recomendations from Children's Hospital of Pittsburgh so I requested to meet with the superintendent. CYS showed up at my door the next day telling my husband that we weren't taking care of my son properly, at the time my husband had just put the receptionist at Children's on hold to answer the door, he offered them the phone and they declined. Case closed. May of 2006 my DD came forward to a family friend and said my husband had been abusing her, the police were called that night when I got home from work and CYS was called by the officer, she talked to DD twice and did three home visits turned her report in and we finally went to trial last week. Unfortunately my STBX walked, they claimed my daughter was too young to be a witness among other things. So I've dealt with them and still glad that they are there for the kids that really need the assistance.

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When our oldest son had a local gang stalking him trying to get him to join and following our little ones to the bus stop to threaten them, my husband made a point to confront them and yelled at them. One of the little(&^%$&#) with a rap-sheet 100 miles long said he felt threatened and his mother (with a comparable rap-sheet) called dcs on us.
Suddenly we were the bad guys! - Guess we should've let our kids be threatened.
Thus started an amazing ride through BS land with DCS driving the car. Our "case worker" was 18 and thought that the fact that we had 5 kids was "bad enough" and didn't believe we really "wanted to care for that many kids"
Long story short - she eventually lost her job for lying directly to the judge over our case (I had told him she was for almost a year and he kept saying that just wouldn't happen...um...right!) Our kids only spent a weekend with foster families who said in court that they were wonderful and very well behaved.
But...we did spend Thousands of dollars with attorneys just to have it all taken care of.
I DEF. do not recommend getting on their radar screen. I KNOW that most of them are just doing their job - but it's a powerful job and as we all know - Absolute power corrupts absolutly!

Refer back to wilbursmommy's story on page one. She is my wife and it was just as she said. The vast, vast majority of people working for DCS are not even remotely qualitified to be making any judgement calls. A college degree issued by some liberal institutation only makes one "feel" like they are quaified. I've never seen a single person with a degree in any of the social behavior type of curriculums who wasn't a bit of a nut or who became drunk with authority.

Here is my opinion. DCS should be overhauled, not eliminated. Here are the two main ways:

1. Those working as social workers or in positions other than clerical (the ones coming to your house and making life changing decisions about you) MUST be at least 30 years old and have at least one child at least 5 years old or older. Anyone younger simply isn't mature enough nor has enough life experience to make calls. We put age restrictions on the leader of the free world (35) but not on someone who holds our future as parents in their hands.
2. If you get reported and you are found innocent, the record must be completely removed with no trace of it. In GA all someone has to do is report you and you have a record. Totally absurd.

Some of you may have things you'd like to see.

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It shouldn't be overhauled, it should be elimiminated and handled by law enforcement. Check out http://www.heraldtribune.com/article.../APN/802011035 for DCF spokesman scum into child porno. Why do you think that so many of these people want to work with kids?