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Old 01/17/08, 11:13 AM
 
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Why not just have someone come in with a dozer and clear them out? It will make the soil easier to work and you can amend it and rototill afterwards.
Cuz im a broke single mom whos putting every penny into building a cabin. The goin rate for something like that is about $450

Ya Deaconjim, that would probably work also. thnx

Oooo and Ive never had mesquite honey or jelly...sounds interesting.

Have you ever seen the insides of a large mesquite? Its bright yellow. Weird.
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Old 01/17/08, 11:19 AM
 
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Are you confusing mesquite with bois d'arc? Mesquite wood isn't yellow.
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Old 01/17/08, 11:24 AM
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I'm with whiterock! Every mesquite I've ever seen was red with a yellow ring on the outer edge on some....
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Old 01/17/08, 11:25 AM
 
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Well....I hired an arborist to come out and look at my trees (so I wouldnt cut down something good) before I started clearing and he told me it was a mesquite. After I cut it down I looked at the branches and it did have the same long thorns on it just like the smaller trees. Hmmmm idk, maybe I got ripped off????
I'll take a pic today or tomrw and post it.
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Old 01/17/08, 11:29 AM
 
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go to tractor supply or some farm store and check on a spray called CROSSBOW it kills every thing in my area that i dont want growing but not sure about mesquite but you could read the label thats on it. its a lil expensive but well worth every penny to get rid of problem plants and trees.
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Old 01/17/08, 11:38 AM
 
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Are the thorns really long, like about 3", and the seed pods kind of twisted and flat, about 10 -12 " lon and 1'11/2" wide? If so that is a Honey Locust, and I would much prefer mesquite. I have both but the locust is just plain dangerous. I haven't cut one of any size in sometime. There is another small tree, that has short thorns all over the trunk, and smaller thorns on the limbs, it has a yellow wood, and if you cut limbs off and let them graze you on the way to the ground they will cut like a knife. It is called Hercules's club. Has a very strange scent to the wood and the leaves.
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Ok so heres the mystery tree....
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It doesnt look as yellow as when I first cut it - it was bright yellow
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Old 01/17/08, 01:53 PM
 
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That is a Bois d'arc, also called Osage Orange, or Horse Apple. Makes VERY good fence posts, doesn't rot, dries to be so hard you can strike sparks with a hammer blow, burns hot but throws a lot of sparks. Plant the seeds close together and it will make one heck of a fence.
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O I C thnx, well since I'm such a novice and it looks like I got ripped off by the arborist, I better make sure what Im trying to kill is indeed mesquite.....
Sorry about the quality, my camera keeps wanting to focus on the ground
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Old 01/17/08, 02:37 PM
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Ive tried everything to kill the mesquite on my property, but NOTHING works. The stuff just comes back with a vengence. Now I have thick red clumps of baby mesquite in the place where I want to start my garden. Plz help.
You cannot fight nature. You must learn to work with it. First of all, put in some raised beds, second of all, cut down that mesquite, bag it and sell it to people to use in their barbeques. BINGO! cottage industry and income stream

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Old 01/17/08, 02:42 PM
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That is a Bois d'arc, also called Osage Orange, or Horse Apple. Makes VERY good fence posts, doesn't rot, dries to be so hard you can strike sparks with a hammer blow, burns hot but throws a lot of sparks. Plant the seeds close together and it will make one heck of a fence.
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Yes, wood carvers like it too because it is so hard they can make things that other wood is too soft for. Also, the wood chips are used by fiber artists as a dye.

I seem to recall that I read somewhere that, because it is so dense, that it gives off the highest BTUs than any other wood when you burn it in a wood stove.

I want to plant some on the fence line between the road so that if a car runs off the road it will not end up in our yard. LOL They are fast growing too, but lordie, they are messy with those hedge apples falling all over the place.

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Old 01/17/08, 02:56 PM
 
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The last pic showed a young mesquite, the reddish vines at the ground are dewberries.
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Old 01/17/08, 03:10 PM
 
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That is a Bois d'arc, also called Osage Orange, or Horse Apple. Makes VERY good fence posts, doesn't rot, dries to be so hard you can strike sparks with a hammer blow, burns hot but throws a lot of sparks. Plant the seeds close together and it will make one heck of a fence.
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We call it hedge up here in Iowa, it sells for about 4 to 8 dollars for a 8 ft line post. A corner post can range from 10 to 30 dollars depending on how straight they are. These posts will still be holding fence long after you are gone. And if you drive a fence staple into one, that's right where it stays cuz you can't pull it out.
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Old 01/17/08, 03:43 PM
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A grown mesquite can have a tap root more than a hundred feet deep, and lateral roots stretching out over 50-75 away from the tree. Very hard to get all of the roots, but it is possible to kill by removing as many roots as possible. A D5 with a six way blade angled all the way to one side and tilted downward can be used to pop the trees out of the ground and drag the roots out with little damage to the ground.
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Best wood for bow making is Bois d'arc....
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Old 01/17/08, 05:14 PM
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That is a Bois d'arc, also called Osage Orange, or Horse Apple. Makes VERY good fence posts, doesn't rot, dries to be so hard you can strike sparks with a hammer blow, burns hot but throws a lot of sparks. Plant the seeds close together and it will make one heck of a fence.
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Yep, Ed's right.
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If you're going to be there a few more years, you might consider thinning out the smaller trees & selling them for firewood or, if they're big enough, for timber. The larger trees will then get that much bigger. It's a fairly valuable wood. Takes a beautiful stain.

Alternately, dig up and sell the medium sized trees for landscaping. You might have quite a bit of $$$ in landscape trees there.

To get rid of mesquite, wait until summer, fertilize it after a good wet spell, when it's growing and lush. Water it. When it explodes with growth, hit it with roundup. Never had to do a repeat treatment. If it comes up from seeds, they're fairly easy to whack with a hoe.

I get occasional mesquite trees growing in my yard because it gets baled in hay and since I don't know the variety or cross (I'm not so fond of chilean mesquite from a landscape standpoint) I kill it.

Sooner or later, I'll plant some blue mesquite. THAT is a nice landscape tree,

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As long as you keep the ground worked after that you are ok, let it go a year or two and the mesquite will come back with a vengance. Those seed are viable for a long time, and it will bud out from the roots also. It is a legume, so it does do some good, small leaves so grass will grow under it, but when it takes control, it takes over.

My dad leased the pasture to a neighbor about 18 years ago, the neighbor was afraid of getting thorns in his tractor tires so let it go. I now have a mesquite plantation. About 40 or 50 acres of mesquite in the lower pasture, from the hill, it looks almost solid, but if you get down in there and walk around it is like being in a park setting. If I had the resources I would fight it, however, if it is needed to sell this place as development is crowding me, the mesquite could be a landscape advantage, established trees, no watering required.
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Old 01/17/08, 07:00 PM
 
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This is SOOOO not good for the earth.

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Tell it to Texas A&M,they endorse useing the mix to kill mesquites.
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Old 01/17/08, 07:03 PM
 
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Goats. Pasture them in the area for several years.
Goats will not control mesquites in 100 years. Any animal that eats the mesquite beans are just planting more mesquite trees in the animals droppings.
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