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Old 01/01/08, 12:33 PM
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How did that woman die, do you know?
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Old 01/01/08, 12:39 PM
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As long as you are a suitable "parent" for the animal...
These people have decide that "suitable" parents for their animals are people who agree to treat them a certain way.

If someone has decided that their pig or goat is a pet I have no problem with them requiring that the new owners agree to treat the animal as a pet rather than livestock. If you can't agree to that look elsewhere.

Furthermore, if the owners pass up potential adoptive parents because they are looking for one who will agree to their terms, that shows they are serious about how they want their pet treated. People get rid of animals for many reasons, not just lack of interest... allergic family members, financial constraints, moves due to job change, etc.
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Old 01/01/08, 01:47 PM
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Well, I don't lie. When I asked about the goats I stated that I wanted them for breeding stock for meat goats and that the does would live out their lives as pasture queens once they could no longer reproduce. She objected to the offspring being used for meat. Go figure.
The old lady died of heart disease in her chair in her trailer. Sheriff found her after someone she knew hadn't heard from her when she said she would call.
I'm going up in a little while to get the rest of the geese and maybe some more of the chickens.

I would try to respect a sellers reasonable wishes but I can't see how they could even enforce these contracts. For good or ill, animals are still considered property in this country and unless you still owe money on it you can do what you want with your property. My solution is to walk away and shop elsewhere.
Minnikin: I rather resent you intimating that I went to the rescue person to get something free or cheap. I went because she has over 100 goats on her 6 acre property and was crying for people to come and get them. I offered what I thought was a reasonable outcome for these abused goats. I would have paid for their worming, hoof trimming and other treatments.
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Old 01/01/08, 03:12 PM
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Minnikin: I rather resent you intimating that I went to the rescue person to get something free or cheap.
Your original intent may not have had anything to do with the cost. But when they said you weren't going to provide the kind of home they were looking for, you were pretty salty about it.

This quote from your original post didn't exactly send the message of respect for the dead woman's last wishes:
"all these goats have to spend the rest of their lives as pasture queens and "pets" because its wrong to use an animal for what it was bred for. Just plain silliness."

The woman was obviously older, and in declining health. Most folks in that circumstance need a little time to realize that their animals are becoming more than they can handle. Did she abuse these goats or was it a case of a sick human being struggling at the end of her life?
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Old 01/01/08, 05:44 PM
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I told dh and the kids that when I die, any pets I have are to either be put down or they are to be cared for until a natural death. Livestock ends up however they see fit.

IMHO, far, far better for any animal to either be given a swift and humane death or spend it's remaining days in a good environment with food, water, and shelter than to not receive proper care and die from starvation or neglect. And yes, that does include dogs and cats.
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Old 01/01/08, 07:01 PM
 
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Again, so where is the problem? If you don't like the terms, you don't have to accept them. Get your horse someplace else.

The person with the contract is looking for someone with values similar to their own. If the right person for that agreement is not you, so what? Move on. Those folks will likely find someone who does share their thinking.

No one is stepping on your toes, here.
Didn't say anyone was stepping on my toes! I DID move on - the horse is still there.
The point is -
If you own the animal, YOU decide how to treat it. If you sell, give it away, or otherwise no longer control the animal, then it is not your business what the new owner does with the animal.
Kinda like NAIS - PETA style.
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Old 01/01/08, 07:30 PM
 
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Didn't say anyone was stepping on my toes! I DID move on - the horse is still there.
The point is -
If you own the animal, YOU decide how to treat it. If you sell, give it away, or otherwise no longer control the animal, then it is not your business what the new owner does with the animal.
Kinda like NAIS - PETA style.
It did sound like the guy wanted someone else to feed and house and care for HIS horse - he kept control over everything. Sounds nuts to me - and I liked the PETA-phile remark too.
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Old 01/01/08, 09:16 PM
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quote: The woman was obviously older, and in declining health. Most folks in that circumstance need a little time to realize that their animals are becoming more than they can handle. Did she abuse these goats or was it a case of a sick human being struggling at the end of her life?

The woman was alone for over 10 years. How does one person care for 150 goats, 100 cats, and a bunch of poultry. I still think she did not "rescue" these animals to a better fate, at no time was she able to give them proper care. Her BIL says she was quite a recluse and never had anyone to help her. That's why the county had to euthanize 40 of the goats. They didn't get into such sad shape in the two weeks it took to arrange their move.
To each his own, but I still think its a silly waste of resources.
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