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12/07/07, 10:04 AM
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Of course I did! I told her I shot it because it was killing my chickens. She probably came here to see if I had seen it because it already killed one of my roosters awhile ago. I was very nice about it, but I did tell she was lucky it was just a rooster. I posted about it here (or maybe poultry forum) when it happened.
She knew her dog was a killer and she knew her dog thought this was an all you can eat buffet  That is why she came here.
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Thanks for the clarification. I'd think you'll be rid of her and any future dog of hers now.
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12/07/07, 10:30 AM
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You shot the dog, but you didn't get rid of the underlying problem....HER!
Yeah, brought a dog that she CAN'T control, right out to the buffet.
I've had enough people with Huskys kill poultry. They don't care, as long as Fido is OK. Now, when Fido goes to the pound, or gets shot, they are heartbroken....but I don't think they learn much, other than you're a BAD GUY. I was the BAD GAL, because I pitched a fit when someone's mutt killed my sheep/chickens/ rabbits, etc. Where's the logic?
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12/07/07, 11:51 AM
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. . . . . . but she needs to know there are consequences to irresponsibility. Maybe she will control her next pet. Michelle
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It must not have sunk in when her dog killed the other animals, so why would you think it would sink in now?
I have to agree SSS is the best way to go. Getting animal lovers riled up because "Fluffy wouldn't do that!" just doesn't sink in to these people's heads.
Besides, now that she knows you did it, how do you know she (or somebody for her) doesn't come back to your place to take it out on some of your animals?
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12/07/07, 12:10 PM
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It is very difficult to educate the ignorant especially if they have no intention of learning.
I myself, would probably not have directly come out and said I had shot the dog but would have asked if it was the same dog that had killed chickens. Hopefully that would then make her feel a little guilty, but doubtful. When she answered yes to that question, then I probably would have told her that a loose livestock killing dog in farm country is usually shot so more than likely the dog is gone. She hadn't called the animal control folks since they would have told her the dog was shot or would they?
"Young" lady (female, anyway) yet old enough to be driving puts her at late teens early twenties. Young enough to do rash things and old enough to talk other people into helping. Probably still living with relatives so she doesn't have to spend all her time trying to support herself so would have time to cause trouble. Her two choices at this point are to blame herself for not training or restraining her dog or blaming you for shooting it and getting mad at you. Which one do you suppose she is gonna choose?
Should she decide to go to court (not really likely) you would most likely win however considering her youth and selfishness she is more likely - if she does anything - to do something spiteful either to your property, your animals or perhaps even your kids depending on how spiteful her personality is. There is a small but possible chance this person may do something rash, so it might be best to be extra cautious for awhile. Perhaps as much as several months.
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12/07/07, 12:31 PM
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She knew her dog was a killer and she knew her dog thought this was an all you can eat buffet  That is why she came here.
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I think was very good of you to tell her you shot her dog. Hopefully she will learn something!!! I do not know, honestly, if I would have the guts to tell someone I shot their dog, because I am one of those types that hates seeing people get upset.
I hope she learns to keep her dang dog under her control in the future. I love my three dogs dearly, and am always checking the fence and the gates to ensure they do not escape, as I would fully expect someone to shoot them if they were running free around here, given all the livestock people keep near me.
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12/07/07, 12:34 PM
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Ummm.... I'm not afraid of anything she or anyone else may try to do.
I certainly don't believe she will come harm my kids-- where do you people get this stuff?? I suppose I'll wish her good luck if she tries to harm my teenage boys and secondly, good luck getting past me and my teenage boys to harm the littler ones. Not to mention DH who is home every night.
Another thing to keep in mind-- I have 2 big dogs that patrol freely all night long. When the chicken episode happened the big dog was shut in the goat pasture and pup was inside the house with me. He went out before I did and prevented the dog from getting any more birds while I got my boots, gun and loaded it.
The dogs really aren't fond of strangers. Especially ones lurking around in the dark.
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12/07/07, 12:37 PM
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The only thought I can come up with is that the owner of that dog must be cumb as a stone!
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12/07/07, 12:41 PM
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it doesnt matter, what the law says, in the end it only matter how far a whiner is willing to go and how much she is willing to spend to ream your behind for killing her dog.
first rule of survival is....
no wittinesses?
nothing happened.
I didnt see anything.
your life will be way more peaceful.
use that law when someone sees you shoot the dog (and you are in the right of course) to shut people up.
Life is to short to go around teaching stupid people lessons....... really.
they just give you grief and cost you money.
Ive learned the hard way the beauty of pleading ignorance when no one can prove otherwise.
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12/07/07, 02:23 PM
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...Another thing to keep in mind-- I have 2 big dogs that patrol freely all night long. ...
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I'm sorry you were put in this position. I remember my dad having to kill a pack of dogs that were chasing our critters as well as the deer and elk. We didn't want to do it but it needed to be done and the law was on our side too. I'm not sure I would have been so bold as to tell her that I did it but that's water under the bridge.
Be careful that no one throws poisoned meat to your dogs at night.
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12/07/07, 02:27 PM
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Did she walk the dog on a leash? Huskies need a lot of running before they even are a bit tired. Not good rural or city dog. Best for sledding, period.
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12/07/07, 03:12 PM
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Well, yesterday a dog was after my chickens and it managed to get two of my hens before I shot it. This morning when I was waiting at the end of the driveway for the school bus with the kids a young lady stops her car and says "Have you seen my dog?" I asked her what kind of dog it was and she said it was a husky.
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After which I replied, "No, I sure haven't, but if I do I will let you know." End of story. Unless you want to be vindictive, this is the way to go.
Huskies are real bad to kill fowl. I owned a malamute, sweetest dog ever, but she was real bad about killing fowl. It's some hard-wired deal with them, I dunno. I have had several friends who owned huskies/malamutes, and they all seemed bad about it with birds. Not saying you may not be able to rain it out of them, but they are a dog that pretty much does what it wants to do. Hardheaded and hard to train. Great dogs, but string willed. My relationship with my malamute was pretty much a friendship of equals.
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I know she wouldn't think so now but it was kind of you to tell her what happened to her dog. Not knowing is worse.
It will be interesting to see if she tries to sue. My bet is that once she calms down she will realize she doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.
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12/07/07, 03:27 PM
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Did she walk the dog on a leash? Huskies need a lot of running before they even are a bit tired. Not good rural or city dog. Best for sledding, period.
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Mine was a great rural dog. We kept her in the yard, which we completely fenced for her.
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After which I replied, "No, I sure haven't, but if I do I will let you know." End of story. Unless you want to be vindictive, this is the way to go.
Huskies are real bad to kill fowl. I owned a malamute, sweetest dog ever, but she was real bad about killing fowl. It's some hard-wired deal with them, I dunno. I have had several friends who owned huskies/malamutes, and they all seemed bad about it with birds. Not saying you may not be able to rain it out of them, but they are a dog that pretty much does what it wants to do. Hardheaded and hard to train. Great dogs, but string willed. My relationship with my malamute was pretty much a friendship of equals.
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I was not being vindictive-- that would be letting her look for the dog for weeks, put up lost dog fliers etc. Also, I'm really not too fond of lying to people, especially in front of my children. They knew that I had shot the dog. Wouldn't be setting much of an example if I lied, would I?
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12/07/07, 03:40 PM
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I know she wouldn't think so now but it was kind of you to tell her what happened to her dog. Not knowing is worse.
It will be interesting to see if she tries to sue. My bet is that once she calms down she will realize she doesn't have much of a leg to stand on.
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Thanks Lisa. I was starting to feel evil, vindictive and stupid
I really doubt she'll try to sue. I've lived here all my life and I've never heard of anyone collecting money for a dead livestock killing dog.
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12/07/07, 03:45 PM
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mwhit,
I think that you did the right thing. She knows what happened to her dog and won't waste time looking for it. You didn't lie. You were in the right to protect your livestock. That particular dog will no longer be a problem to you or your neighbors.
There's a slim chance that she learned a lesson. If she does get another dog, perhaps she'll train it.
I'll bet at least she'll find another spot in the country to exercise it.
You stood up for your rights and were as kind as you could have been under the circumstances.
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You know, I've typed and deleted and typed and deleted a reply several times. Bottom line is I agree with what you did. Especially the part about telling the truth in front of your kids. Yes there are times for SSS, but I think your kids might have learned a good lesson here as well. Honesty is invaluable.
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12/07/07, 04:05 PM
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It's a darn shame that a good dog had to die because of a stupid owner...
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IMHO you did the right thing. She needed to know that the dog was dead and why. Like you said there are consequences to irresponsibility and she needed to learn this.  I would bet the next dog she gets she keeps better tabs on. If you wouldn't have told her the truth she would have just thought the dog was stolen or something and not learned a darn thing. I say coodoes to you for telling her the truth & what needed to be said.  It would have been easier for you to SSS.
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12/07/07, 04:27 PM
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Your mistake was letting her drive off with out paying the bill. When she asked about the dog and you confirmed it was hers, you should have immediately demanded money for the chickens. Chances are she does not know that she doesn't have to pay immediately. Why bother going thru the legal methods when you can just DEMAND the money right up front....
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