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10/30/07, 11:12 AM
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In Iowa we have a nutrition program for the needy. Farmers' Market participants are sent a ton of paperwork.
I am not joking when I say the ag department sent out a letter to let me know that I would soon be receiving future postal mail from them.
In Iowa, you can sell a chicken alive and then butcher it as a favor to the customer without having it inspected. You cannot charge for butchering.
So the way I figure it, If I buy a carrot for 10 dollars and get 3 gallons of raw milk for free, that is legal.
And the state does not consider fish to be meat! It does not require inspection.
Don't get me wrong. I like Iowa, but we are way behind when it comes to artisan created food.
I have no evidence to back me up, but something tells me Oregon and Colorado would be good places.
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10/30/07, 11:17 AM
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You choose which state you live in. A 'state' is not a physical area. It is a body politic. The body politic (people), because of their choice in joining the 'state', become liable for any 'laws' created for that body politic. These are the 'laws' that one is bound to know.
The act of leaving the 'state' is called expatriation. While many are taught otherwise, this act does not require you to physically leave the area. Believe it or not your right to remain where you are is part and parcel of the United Nations Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
Laws create fictions. Fictions do not create Laws. Corporations and body politics are legal fictions.
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As a lawyer, let me just say that this is really, really, REALLY bad legal advice and I hope no one here follows it.
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10/30/07, 11:35 AM
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I agree. I kind of figure just because my state of mind is "Freedom for all" doesn't mean the government will see it that way when I start living like I feel! LOL
Its a nice thought, but it ain't very likely!
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10/30/07, 05:07 PM
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10/30/07, 05:31 PM
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I am not a lawyer so don't expect any legal advice from me. Which part is inaccurate???
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10/30/07, 05:31 PM
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I am not a lawyer so don't expect any legal advice from me. Which part is inaccurate???
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Virtually every word.
You are in fact bound to the laws of your state, which does in fact have sovereignty over a particular geographic area. You cannot "opt out". The laws apply to you whether you like them or not.
You can, of course, leave. But nothing in the Convention (or the US Constitution, for that matter) allows you to stay in place while ignoring the laws of the duly-constituted government.
I could discuss this at some length, but my past experience with people who hold the sort of beliefs you display in your post suggests that doing so would be a waste of time.
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10/30/07, 05:34 PM
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I think its wonderful philosophical advice for someone who wants to automatically get in problems with the law, but its not wonderful legal advice for someone who has to stay within those 4 borders on each side of the physical land called states. The body of land between those borders that is governed by the people who live in that one city they call the capital. That is the law which we are to live by according to our government that is over each of these land masses.
So, even though we may want to take a trip, although I don't (LOL) through our minds for these states, that's not the kind of state I am asking about.
I want to know about laws written on books in these capitals for these land masses.
That make it more confusing? LOL
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10/30/07, 05:56 PM
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I stated on another thread what my opinion is. We are sorta-still-free here and we have a good local base of politically active people like us (myself and matt-man), in a property rights congress. We are at the hub of the anti NAIS movement and we helped stop well metering among other things. My vote is, of course, MO.
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10/30/07, 06:33 PM
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10/30/07, 06:36 PM
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10/30/07, 07:06 PM
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Every word I posted was virtual. Your answer is not responsive.
Ignorance of a fact is not criminal. Ignorance of a foreign law is ignorance of a fact.
Of course, being a lawyer, you are aware that the Law of Nations has been incorporated completely into the Common Law of this country by virtue of it having been previously acknowledged by Great Britain before the revolution.
If I had been a member of the body politic of this state on the day before the 14th amendment was passed and woke up the following morning a member of different body politic without changing geographic position I suspect maybe reversing this status is also possible without having to resort to fleeing the country.
You haven't attempted to discuss anything yet. When are you going to start?
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10/30/07, 07:20 PM
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Gimme a YAAAAY!
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Wow! Some of ya'll sure managed to get someone's panties in a knot! Well done!
For the record, I would NEVER equate a 20-year military career with "sucking the govt tit". I find the verbage offensive to those who have served (or are currently serving). But, thanks to them (read: us), folks can be as rude as they like. There is no "be nice" law to have to "opt out" of.
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You might want to look into AR. There are roadside stands everywhere, eggs and goats milk are freely advertised. We just don't sell foodstuffs, so I haven't researched the laws (which, yes, we are bound by  ). I do know that you can "give" or barter meat, but to sell it folks will advertise it as "for dog food", even though it's safe for human consumption.
Did you have something(s) in particular in mind?
Are you looking for a Business prospect, or something to bring in money on the side?
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10/30/07, 07:51 PM
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10/30/07, 07:59 PM
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10/30/07, 08:04 PM
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Palani
Geez Palani,
This is a family thread, not intended for this kind of thing. Could you kindly back off, please?
I was seeking genuine information, not someone coming along to hijack my thread. If you wish to talk this way and use a forum to air it, could you please take it to General Chat, where that kind of garbage is expected?
Thank you.
EasyDay,
I was just trying to figure out if the other states are as restrictive as Iowa is. We have more laws against farming and homesteaders than we do for them. I have lived in Arkansas and Missouri, but not as a farmer or homesteader. I just lived in towns at those times and I am glad to know that they are more free. I pray they stay that way. My husband has decided he thinks it best if we just stay where we are for the time being, but at some point, I think we would like to come that direction. We'll just have to see what can happen. I hope so though. I like the area, personally I love Branson, even highway 76! LOL
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10/30/07, 08:10 PM
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My response was in reaction to the suggestion by the subject retiree that my view is based on drugs and not a careful analysis of Law. Sorry if you found the response offensive or out of proportion. We all XXXXX at some time in our career. Most eventually undergo weaning. Some never do.
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Are you inferring that to collect military retirement is to NOT be weaned? Retirement pay is a benefit of the job... any job. Why would anyone turn down a worthwhile benefit? What happened? You missed your boat? Is that why you're so bitter?
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10/30/07, 08:19 PM
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EasyDay,
I was just trying to figure out if the other states are as restrictive as Iowa is. We have more laws against farming and homesteaders than we do for them. I have lived in Arkansas and Missouri, but not as a farmer or homesteader. I just lived in towns at those times and I am glad to know that they are more free. I pray they stay that way. My husband has decided he thinks it best if we just stay where we are for the time being, but at some point, I think we would like to come that direction. We'll just have to see what can happen. I hope so though. I like the area, personally I love Branson, even highway 76! LOL
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First, sorry about responding to Palani a second time. This is your thread.
Yes, it's a beautiful area throughout northern AR and so. MO. I hope things don't change too much regarding regulations on farm produced goods. We've got nothin' but farmers around here, and they don't mind speaking out on issues. So, if changes happen, it'll be because we elect the wrong local officials.
From reading others' posts re: Iowa, it seems VERY restrictive compared to so many other areas of the US. Ya'll need to make yer move and get farmin'!
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10/30/07, 08:20 PM
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Don't let Palani bait you. This person is just trying to use an innocent thread to start a fight. You have every right for every penny if you served and fought for my freedom. I don't care what some people say. Anyone who served time in the military deserves respect, loyalty, and compensation from the jerks that they fought to win the freedom for. However, that being said, you have no reason to lower yourself to the level of being walked on by that poster. Don't let them get to you. I respect you! I am proud of you! And I know tons of others who are as well!
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10/30/07, 08:35 PM
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dunroven -
My apology to you for my part in disturbing this thread.
God bless you.
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10/30/07, 08:35 PM
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Don't let Palani bait you. This person is just trying to use an innocent thread to start a fight. You have every right for every penny if you served and fought for my freedom. I don't care what some people say. Anyone who served time in the military deserves respect, loyalty, and compensation from the jerks that they fought to win the freedom for. However, that being said, you have no reason to lower yourself to the level of being walked on by that poster. Don't let them get to you. I respect you! I am proud of you! And I know tons of others who are as well!
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Thanks for your kind words, and you are correct that I shouldn't have lowered myself to his/her level.
Know, though, that I did not feel walked on. I just feel that some people need a swift kick in the arse for taking so much for granted, and then whining about it. Had this been in General Chat, I wouldn't have been so polite!
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