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10/29/07, 12:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim S.
Now, all I can grow is a moustache due to the IRON FIST of corporate Amuhrica.
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yea cause ya know how only perverts and hippies would wear a beard. oh yea and child molesters. Sad state that this culture has brought us to ain't it?
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10/29/07, 02:17 PM
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yea cause ya know how only perverts and hippies would wear a beard. oh yea and child molesters. Sad state that this culture has brought us to ain't it?
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Well, awhile back they did a survey that I have been unable to locate on the Net anymore. Anyway, the survey said that most folks found men with beards less trustworthy than clean-shaven men. Oh man, the IRON FIST clenched a lot harder then! Heheheh.
But  they make me wear a certain type shirt, they make me wear a certain style of pants, they make me wrap a piece of cloth around my neck like a noose...why not the shaving thing, too? It's not formal policy here, but anyone who HAS grown a beard got teased for it til the beard came off.
A guy just retired last month, and man, he looks like a full-fledged backwoods hermit now, with his beard and all!
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10/29/07, 05:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Jim S.
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But  they make me wear a certain type shirt, they make me wear a certain style of pants, they make me wrap a piece of cloth around my neck like a noose...why not the shaving thing, too? It's not formal policy here, but anyone who HAS grown a beard got teased for it til the beard came off.
A guy just retired last month, and man, he looks like a full-fledged backwoods hermit now, with his beard and all!
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I am not following you at all.
Does someone 'tease' you for showing your manliness?
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10/29/07, 06:34 PM
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I do grow a beard starting Thanksgiving weekend and it comes off Kentucky Derby weekend. Since I work in an ad agency the beard doesn't get more than 2 inch long.
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10/30/07, 07:58 AM
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Originally Posted by ET1 SS
I am not following you at all.
Does someone 'tease' you for showing your manliness?
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LOL... is that what beards are about, ET1? Showing one's manliness?
Does a longer beard make one "more manly" than a shorter beard or goatee?
Just curious... I keep mine shaved!
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10/30/07, 08:34 AM
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I've had a beard since I was 14. Started as a goatee, but I had such bad acne that I was constantly cutting open the bumps when I shaved, so I just let the beard grow. I keep it trimmed at about 2-3 inches to avoid the straggly "hillbilly" look. With the beard and my facial features and height, people call me "stonewall Jackson" all the time...I take that as a compliment! A beard can be a great asset when kept trimmed in a "gentlemanly" fashion. Also helps to keep warm, though in southern VA that is not so much of an issue. More of a fashion statement than anything.
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10/30/07, 11:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Usdaf
LOL... is that what beards are about, ET1? Showing one's manliness?
Does a longer beard make one "more manly" than a shorter beard or goatee?
Just curious... I keep mine shaved! 
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I have a few authors' writings from the first couple centuries A.D. [often referred to as 'the fathers of the church'] whose writings often refer to beards as the sign of masculinity.
Every now and again I read through them, and so a few of their ideas may tend to stick in the dark recesses of my mind. If only to recall that such is considered a founding idea of our society.
So I would ask you then, can you observe any trends to be noted among men who wear a full beard that would mark them as different from the smooth faced men of our society?
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10/30/07, 07:48 PM
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So I would ask you then, can you observe any trends to be noted among men who wear a full beard that would mark them as different from the smooth faced men of our society?
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Funny you should ask, though maybe not a trend. Being female (hence, I was joking about me shaving my beard!), there is a certain masculinity about beards, I think. In the corporate world, I quietly referred to some of the guys as "soft, white guys". Not meaning to offend anyone, but it was a phrase that came to mind about guys that are super clean shaven with super tight haircuts, and are super pale from lack of outside activity. I was merely merely teasing you about your masculinity remark... not disagreeing!  I prefer the more outdoorsy type like mtman.
ETA: I just realized that, being a submariner, you may well have been a soft, white guy in those days! Well, on the outside, anyway!
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10/30/07, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Usdaf
Funny you should ask, though maybe not a trend. Being female (hence, I was joking about me shaving my beard!), there is a certain masculinity about beards, I think. In the corporate world, I quietly referred to some of the guys as "soft, white guys". Not meaning to offend anyone, but it was a phrase that came to mind about guys that are super clean shaven with super tight haircuts, and are super pale from lack of outside activity. I was merely merely teasing you about your masculinity remark... not disagreeing!  I prefer the more outdoorsy type like mtman.
ETA: I just realized that, being a submariner, you may well have been a soft, white guy in those days! Well, on the outside, anyway! 
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LOL
I tried farming and I failed once already. I went back into the Navy to invest and get my pension so that I could afford to try farming once again.
While living underwater I was very pale. As were all of my crewmates. Only fourteen of my twenty years in the Navy was actually living onboard subs. It kept us very pale. However I wore a full beard for almost all of that time. I do love those Naval traditions, Arrgh
Alas now my beard is fuller and longer.
No longer kept trimmed to Naval regs: "no individual hair longer than 3/4 inch and bulk less than 1/2 inch measured from the surface of the skin"
I have been offered corporate jobs, as most of my crewmates have gone toward emasculating suit and tie office jobs. Many of those jobs do include a great deal of travel, maintaining multiple offices in different time zones, polished shoes and creased suits to match. No thanks.
I prefer to hold onto my dignity, my masculinity, and my self respect.
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10/30/07, 09:07 PM
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LOL
I tried farming and I failed once already. I went back into the Navy to invest and get my pension so that I could afford to try farming once again.
While living underwater I was very pale. As were all of my crewmates. Only fourteen of my twenty years in the Navy was actually living onboard subs. It kept us very pale. However I wore a full beard for almost all of that time. I do love those Naval traditions, Arrgh
Alas now my beard is fuller and longer.
No longer kept trimmed to Naval regs: "no individual hair longer than 3/4 inch and bulk less than 1/2 inch measured from the surface of the skin"
I have been offered corporate jobs, as most of my crewmates have gone toward emasculating suit and tie office jobs. Many of those jobs do include a great deal of travel, maintaining multiple offices in different time zones, polished shoes and creased suits to match. No thanks.
I prefer to hold onto my dignity, my masculinity, and my self respect. 
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YAY! Good for you!
Way back in the day, when I went to PO Indoc, the instructor told me I had to let my perm grow out because my hair was too curly to be "in uniform". I told him, with all due respect, that it wasn't a perm. It's naturally curly. That ended that conversation.
I, too, love the old Navy traditions! I dug the sailors when they wore beards. But, I guess safety gear got in the way of the beards so the Navy sided with safety.
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10/30/07, 10:58 PM
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How many men here grow a beard for fall?
For sure not me I grew mine in 1963 and it's been here ever since.
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10/31/07, 06:25 AM
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YAY! Good for you!
Way back in the day, when I went to PO Indoc, the instructor told me I had to let my perm grow out because my hair was too curly to be "in uniform". I told him, with all due respect, that it wasn't a perm. It's naturally curly. That ended that conversation.
I, too, love the old Navy traditions! I dug the sailors when they wore beards. But, I guess safety gear got in the way of the beards so the Navy sided with safety. 
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cute.
After 83, we had to shave anytime that a female came onboard, or when we left the boat.
Being underwater sevens months each year still gives most sailors plenty of time to grow their beards. It is a shame to shave them each time that we surface.
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10/31/07, 09:40 AM
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Here are a couple of pics of me with my beard and in my supposed to be pirate-but-turned-out-to-be-more-of-a-muskeeter costume and one with my fiancee, Jen.
It was my first time to allow my beard to get that long. I'm considering letting it grow out more!
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10/31/07, 11:15 AM
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Had a beard from the time I could grow one...then work required I shave. No beard for 14 years, but now....I'll keep it to the grave.
There's a lot of neck to cover up as we get older!
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10/31/07, 03:28 PM
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I prefer to hold onto my dignity, my masculinity, and my self respect. 
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Pshaw! I have no less of any of those because I shave, or wear a moustache.
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10/31/07, 04:36 PM
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My wife asked me to grow a beard. This was right after we made a trip to the hospital and another woman asked her if I was her son. I did look sort of young. That was long ago, don't have the wife anymore but have managed to keep the beard.
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Funny you bring that up, with the grey hair through the beard I'd hoped it would act as a sort of a woman repellant.................. cussing and drinking too much wasn't working well!! Reading the replies here isn't overly encouraging either. I just can't wear the wedding ring with any safety, snags on ladders and loose wires something fierce. The growlly dog can't come with me every where and I do a lousy imitation!
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10/31/07, 07:32 PM
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LOL, I served onboard subs, so I was able to wear a beard long after the over-all policy to rid the military of beards. Today submariners have to shave every time they enter port.
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I was on patrol when the ruling went into affect that beards had to be shaved off. The CO went over the 1MC and told us that we were not shaving until just before going up the Copper River. Cap'n Mark shaved as we were going through the jetties of the Copper. Mine came off right before we surfaced, since I had to be on the ESM and then the RADAR.
Next run, we stopped shaving as soon as the hatch was shut and we submerged. AAOOGA AAOOGA AAOOGA Dive, Dive, Dive.
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10/31/07, 07:40 PM
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NAVY didn't know how much ugly they showed when they made us shave our beards. I am former DS1 who had full beard during first tour.
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When we shaved ours off at the end of the patrol, the NavETs petitioned the CO to let one of the NavET's keep his beard. Tommy gave new meaning to the term UGLY. LOL
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10/31/07, 07:42 PM
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I was on patrol when the ruling went into affect that beards had to be shaved off. The CO went over the 1MC and told us that we were not shaving until just before going up the Copper River. Cap'n Mark shaved as we were going through the jetties of the Copper. Mine came off right before we surfaced, since I had to be on the ESM and then the RADAR.
Next run, we stopped shaving as soon as the hatch was shut and we submerged. AAOOGA AAOOGA AAOOGA Dive, Dive, Dive.
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