Is "baiting" & "trapping" really hunting?

comfortablynumb · #21 10/10/07, 03:29 PM

if you are going to eat it, sporting doesnt have to be part of hunting at all.

Nel frattempo · #22 10/10/07, 05:31 PM

Thank you everyone! Since we do not hunt ourselves, it was important to us that we get input from those who do. Thank you for the comments, ideas and discussion. We appreciate the input.

sugarbush · #23 10/10/07, 05:49 PM

Yeah we got off topic a little....back to feral pigs.....as Alton Brown would say......those are good eats

If you want to host a hunt I may know a few guys willing to take care of them for you....

big rockpile · #24 10/10/07, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarbush

Hunting storries are like fishing storries.....alot of tall tails.
I know plenty of people who out of the woods brag about how they don't use tree stands and they don't bait yadyadayada.... Some of these storries are true and those people don't shoot deer either......My wife calls them hikers who are armed. Some of them are not so true and those people shoot deer every year, but when in the woods some of their hunting ethics slide just a little. Really nobody cares what one person thinks is hunting and somebody else does not. As long as its by the book what does it matter?

Well I for one don't Bait or use a Tree Stand and I kill plenty of Deer.

big rockpile

big rockpile · #25 10/10/07, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Nel frattempo

Thank you everyone! Since we do not hunt ourselves, it was important to us that we get input from those who do. Thank you for the comments, ideas and discussion. We appreciate the input.

Back on subject.Traps work good for awhile.Baiting is good the best is taking Corn let it sour in Milk.Dig a hole pour the sour Milk and Corn in the hole and cover it with dirt the Hogs will find it and come back longer.They will after awhile go nocturnal.Set at night with a Spotlight,when you hear the Hogs,turn the light on start shooting.Then hunting with Dogs,can get some that way.Then finally hire someone to come in shoot them from Helicopter.

Main thing is Hogs are Bad News,get rid of all you can.But it is unlikely you will kill them all.

big rockpile

sugarbush · #26 10/10/07, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by big rockpile

Well I for one don't Bait or use a Tree Stand and I kill plenty of Deer.

big rockpile

Here we go with the big storries

.... The Benoits don't bait or use stands either and they kill plenty of deer....enough to make their living doing it... But it is funny how if you follow the track of a deer when you get to the end....you find a deer.

big rockpile · #27 10/10/07, 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by sugarbush

Here we go with the big storries

.... The Benoits don't bait or use stands either and they kill plenty of deer....enough to make their living doing it... But it is funny how if you follow the track of a deer when you get to the end....you find a deer.

Its Illegal to Bait here and I can't climb Stands.So I set in a good place it the brush and wait.Killed them as close as 5 yards

And if its cold and nasty outside we invite them in

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big rockpile

Bearfootfarm · #28 10/10/07, 09:51 PM

[QUOTE=sugarbush]Here we go with the big storries

.... The Benoits don't bait or use stands either and they kill plenty of deer....enough to make their living doing it... But it is funny how if you follow the track of a deer when you get to the end....you find a deer.[/QUOTE]

That may work up North where theres snow. Try it in a Carolina swamp and your results will be much different

Pops2 · #29 10/10/07, 10:49 PM

Nel
hunting is any activity that a person engages in for the pupose of catching &/or killing animals and by definition requires the immediate presence of the individual. trapping is the use of of mechanical means to catch &/or kill animals w/o the immediate presence of the individual. all the personal interpretations of what is or is not hunting is just that, a PERSONAL INTERPRETATION based on an individual's IDEALS of sport or fairness. for instance, i personally do not consider it sport to shoot any animal (at least until deer start carrying AK-47s). to me it's only sport if the animal is taken using a hand held blade or by the dog(s) after a chase. this is because the animal is FULLY aware of it's peril and it's escape/survival depends on it's desire & abilities. as you can see my ideals involve a great deal of personal risk when hunting big game like boar, bear & deer. the important thing to me is to not force my IDEALS on others by attempting to outlaw other methods, unfortunately most of the rest of the hunting community are a pack of idiots that are completely comfortable w/ banning methods they themselves do not employ in a vain attempt to protect their preferred method.
Cabin Fever
the boars in far western NC are descended primarily (possibly entirely) from russian blooded wild boars stocked in the 1920s on a private preserve that is now part of state &/or federal land and will put a dog's legs to the test unlike most feral hogs.
tink
yanks are right up there w/ westerners about P!$$ing on the way other folks handle their business. i had a bunch of MY yank Marines talking trash about NC deer doggers until i took them to places where they literally could not walk through and they could barely see 10 feet but couldn't see 12. and i am talking 100-200 acre patches of national forest like that it'd be nice if folks would realize what works best in their area isn't the only way and may not work at all someplace else. then we could both hunt a little happier.
Texican
hogs that see another get caught are real shy about traps too. but there isn't a hog that can't be dogged. if your dogs can't get it then figure out what kind of dog it's going to take and get some.
Keltink
cross them birddogs w/ a good bulldog & you'll have the dogs to catch those hogs.
Meloc
there are in fact places & seasons in the USA when you can trail, stalk & shoot fox. and coons all you need is a canoe, a spotlight & a shotty loaded w/ #4 bird and you can stack them up like cordwood.
Big Rock
i'm right there on the ground with you. i guess it's a good thing the old market hunters didn't have tree stands or they might have killed alot more than the 10-20 a day that they regularly did. i guess all those folks that shot game from the ground for the first 400 years of our existance didn't really, they just starved to death and were a figment of our imaginations.

tamsam · #30 10/11/07, 12:35 AM

Luckily we don't have hogs here in our area. Would like a couple to eat . Turkeys will tear up a lot of stuff too. Now as for baiting if you bait bear you can pick out the big boars and that helps increase the population. The boars will kill the young cubs so mama bear will breed again. DW and I don't bait or use tree stands and we still get the deer. Now we do feed here in the back yard and as rock said if it is nasty out we invite them in. Sam

MELOC · #31 10/11/07, 04:50 AM

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Meloc
there are in fact places & seasons in the USA when you can trail, stalk & shoot fox. and coons all you need is a canoe, a spotlight & a shotty loaded w/ #4 bird and you can stack them up like cordwood.

yeah, i bet those places and seasons have snow.

as for the coons...when you are done carrying your canoe up and down the ridges around here, you may wish to go home and get your dogs...or take a nap.

your yankee friend just north of the mason dixon

sugarbush · #32 10/11/07, 05:22 AM

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That may work up North where theres snow. Try it in a Carolina swamp and your results will be much different

Carolinas!! if you throw a rock in any direction you will hit ten deer

kinda like Kentucky......... I would like to see some of the southern hunters go up to Maine, New Hampshire, or Vermont and see how many deer they find if out scouting and hunting for the entire season. I even wrote to ol Bill Jordan once and suggested that he go on a real hunt up that way after wild free range deer.....never heard back from the realtree people

tinknal · #33 10/11/07, 07:51 AM

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Nel

tink
yanks are right up there w/ westerners about P!$$ing on the way other folks handle their business. i had a bunch of MY yank Marines talking trash about NC deer doggers until i took them to places where they literally could not walk through and they could barely see 10 feet but couldn't see 12. and i am talking 100-200 acre patches of national forest like that it'd be nice if folks would realize what works best in their area isn't the only way and may not work at all someplace else. then we could both hunt a little happier.

Funny you should mention it, but most of the baiting criticism I've seen in this thread are from Southerners. Now deer baiting is not allowed here but bear baiting is. So I guess Southerners need to be included in your little rant there too.

TedH71 · #34 10/11/07, 10:09 AM

MegZ,

Nobody uses leg traps for hogs. Box traps are more common. I wouldn't recommend corn though. Too much chance of coons eating the corn and getting out of the cage. Corn soaked in beer for 1 or 2 weeks is far more ideal but stinks to high heaven. I don't think coons like that mix. I've also had friends mix corn with some kind of oil (I forget which) that usually only hogs like to eat. Traps will catch usually the mothers and the young and stupid ones. Rarely the big boars so thats why we fall back into using dogs to get the big mean boars.

sugarbush · #35 10/11/07, 03:51 PM

They don't make a legal leghold trap large enough to hold a hog....... The outlawed bear leghold traps is what would need to be used and using one is assumming alot of risk if some neighbor kid stepped into it.

Nel frattempo · #36 10/11/07, 04:47 PM

Thank you again everyone - interesting comments and ideas on all the topics. Thank you. We did today let a man bring a huge cage type trap. He did bait it with corn and bread and he will come collect the pig and take it home to feed and later "harvest" for meat. He also said he will leave it here as long as he keeps getting pigs. I just have to get rid of them since they have torn up two garden sections already. Thank you for all the comments.

65284 · #37 10/12/07, 07:46 AM

Glad you have arrived at a solution. But in this case it really didn't have much with either hunting or trapping ethics. Feral hogs on a property are the equivelent of rats in a house or barn, vermin. I doubt you would have had much mental anguish about ridding yourself of them by whatever means possible.